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« on: November 16, 2009, 11:35:02 PM »
There. Now leave my other thread alone.
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2009, 11:38:30 PM »
No.

States are not organic entities. They may have been so in 1789, but the process for admitting states has guaranteed that they have no real difference.

In addition, all citizens should be represented equally. This is self-evident.
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2009, 11:49:07 PM »
Ideally, no. The prevailing system makes the admittance of new states into the Union a far more delicate matter than it needs to be. I would strongly oppose any effort to turn the Senate into a smaller House of Representatives, however—far better to abolish it altogether.

Of course, Article V must give every reformer nightmares. U.S. Const. art. V ("Provided that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.") One work around would be to amend Article V first and then implement the forbidden measure. But better yet, just follow my advice and abolish the Senate altogether. No representation is equal representation, no?

Quote from: Хahar on November 16, 2009, 11:38:30 PM
In addition, all citizens should be represented equally. This is self-evident.

If you have to say that something is self-evident, usually it isn't self-evident. And this is a good example.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2009, 11:52:02 PM »
No. And any solutions that would just make the Senate more representative are redundant; better to do away with the thing entirely and maybe increase the size of the House to make up for it.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2009, 12:00:10 AM »
Of course, there is no reason why they shouldn't. The way to fix the Senate is to start by repealing the 17th amendment.
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2009, 12:01:49 AM »
Quote from: Libertas on November 17, 2009, 12:00:10 AM
The way to fix the Senate is to start by repealing the 17th amendment.


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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2009, 12:46:18 AM »
Quote from: Philip on November 16, 2009, 11:49:07 PM
Quote from: Хahar on November 16, 2009, 11:38:30 PM
In addition, all citizens should be represented equally. This is self-evident.

If you have to say that something is self-evident, usually it isn't self-evident. And this is a good example.

I appended it to my post as an afterthought when I realized that not everyone here is capable of normal thought.
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2009, 12:47:54 AM »
I find the fact that you locked the other thread just to create two separate ones incredibly petty and immature, but whatevs.

And no, as I've said twice now. Abolish the Senate.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2009, 12:48:58 AM »
Absolutely not. I am sick of having some low population Senator use my tax dollars to bring home the pork while California gets screwed.
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2009, 12:57:02 AM »
Quote from: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on November 17, 2009, 12:48:58 AM
Absolutely not. I am sick of having some low population Senator use my tax dollars to bring home the pork while California gets screwed.

Well, you know, you're not important, because you live in a big state. You're already crowding out people who live in smallers tates.
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« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2009, 01:32:01 AM »
Quote from: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on November 17, 2009, 12:48:58 AM
Absolutely not. I am sick of having some low population Senator use my tax dollars to bring home the pork while California gets screwed.
So the problem there is with federal taxation being spent on pork, not with having the Senate.
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« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2009, 03:58:52 AM »
Quote from: Libertas on November 17, 2009, 01:32:01 AM
Quote from: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on November 17, 2009, 12:48:58 AM
Absolutely not. I am sick of having some low population Senator use my tax dollars to bring home the pork while California gets screwed.
So the problem there is with federal taxation being spent on pork, not with having the Senate.

What's your definition of pork, I'm genuinely curious.
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« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2009, 04:02:43 AM »
Abolish the Senate, yes.
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2009, 04:03:57 AM »
Why should states be represented at all?
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« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2009, 04:29:04 AM »
Is there any other federal republic with a system similar to the american one?

P.S. Cool sig Marokai. Wink
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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2009, 04:30:26 AM »

Thanks Wink
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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2009, 04:40:59 AM »
Quote from: px75 on November 17, 2009, 04:29:04 AM
Is there any other federal republic with a system similar to the american one?

Depends what you consider similiar.

Germany has a seperate upper house for state representation called the Bundesrat. Although the votes given to each state are at least somewhat based on the number of residents in each state.
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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2009, 05:16:14 AM »
Quote from: Senator Franzl on November 17, 2009, 04:40:59 AM
Quote from: px75 on November 17, 2009, 04:29:04 AM
Is there any other federal republic with a system similar to the american one?

Depends what you consider similiar.

Germany has a seperate upper house for state representation called the Bundesrat. Although the votes given to each state are at least somewhat based on the number of residents in each state.



Yeah, by similar I meant where every state has equal representanion, regardless of the population.
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« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2009, 05:22:37 AM »
Quote from: px75 on November 17, 2009, 05:16:14 AM
Quote from: Senator Franzl on November 17, 2009, 04:40:59 AM
Quote from: px75 on November 17, 2009, 04:29:04 AM
Is there any other federal republic with a system similar to the american one?

Depends what you consider similiar.

Germany has a seperate upper house for state representation called the Bundesrat. Although the votes given to each state are at least somewhat based on the number of residents in each state.



Yeah, by similar I meant where every state has equal representanion, regardless of the population.

Now that I think about it, doesn't the Australian Senate work that way?
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« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2009, 07:03:22 AM »
Why should the states get any representation at all? In either house or senate?

However I admit that changing this will probably open a whole alot of issues that really shouldn't be opened...

The answer is still "no" mind.
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« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2009, 07:06:22 AM »
I always thought it was funny that the federal gov't won't allow the states to set up their legislatures in any fashion other than one man one vote, while the US Senate still exists as is.
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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2009, 07:09:37 AM »
Ideally, I'd like to see the Senate serve the purpose it was originally intended to.
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« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2009, 09:10:44 AM »
Quote from: Хahar on November 17, 2009, 12:57:02 AM
Quote from: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on November 17, 2009, 12:48:58 AM
Absolutely not. I am sick of having some low population Senator use my tax dollars to bring home the pork while California gets screwed.

Well, you know, you're not important, because you live in a big state. You're already crowding out people who live in smallers tates.

Because those 53 representatives, one of which is the speaker of the house, are so irrelevant Roll Eyes
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« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2009, 09:46:51 AM »
Quote from: fezzyfestoon on November 17, 2009, 07:09:37 AM
Ideally, I'd like to see the Senate serve the purpose it was originally intended to.

That Bavarian Beer is getting to your head with talk like that.  Roll Eyes   Wink
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« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2009, 10:47:11 AM »
Quote from: Governor Vepres on November 17, 2009, 09:10:44 AM
Quote from: Хahar on November 17, 2009, 12:57:02 AM
Quote from: ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ on November 17, 2009, 12:48:58 AM
Absolutely not. I am sick of having some low population Senator use my tax dollars to bring home the pork while California gets screwed.

Well, you know, you're not important, because you live in a big state. You're already crowding out people who live in smallers tates.

Because those 53 representatives, one of which is the speaker of the house, are so irrelevant Roll Eyes

You mean 3. I have three people representing me in Congress.
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