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« on: May 06, 2004, 06:55:41 PM »
« edited: May 06, 2004, 07:15:03 PM by The Vorlon »

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/8600742.htm?1c

Posted on Thu, May. 06, 2004
 
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State: Purge felon voters on list

State officials order local elections supervisors to begin purging voter rolls of felons who don't have the right to vote. The measure may affect as many as 40,000 voters.

BY GARY FINEOUT

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TALLAHASSEE - Six months before a presidential election that is again expected to be decided by a narrow margin in Florida, state officials ordered local election supervisors Wednesday to begin purging voter rolls of felons -- a move that may take as many as 40,000 people off the rolls, many of them likely to be black Democrats.

The state Division of Elections is turning the list over to local election supervisors in all 67 counties, and has ordered them to make sure to remove any felons whose voting rights have not been restored. The state says a preliminary check shows as many as 40,000 former felons are still registered to vote.

''As part of our quality assurance testing, felon and clemency information was run against a copy of the current voter registration database and has identified over 40,000 potential felon matches statewide,'' wrote Ed Kast, director of the state Division of Elections, in a memo sent out to election supervisors on Wednesday.

The issue of felon voting became controversial after the contested 2000 presidential election, when critics said Florida used out-of-state lists to purge former felons, taking voting rights away from people who had committed crimes outside the state but had had their voting rights restored in those other states.

During the 2000 election, some local election supervisors refused to purge their rolls based on the state list, saying they had no faith in how the list was compiled.              

(Editorial comment - Was directly and knowingly violating the law in violation of the law..? The Vorlon)


NEW DATABASE

State election officials said Wednesday they are relying on a new $2 million database developed after the 2000 election fiasco, which saw George W. Bush win Florida by 537 votes. And they reminded local election officials that under a 2001 state law, they must comply and purge anyone who fails to contest the state's information.

A spokeswoman for Secretary of State Glenda Hood, who oversees the state elections office, defended the new voter list, which is drawn exclusively from Florida arrests.

But some Democratic legislators and liberal groups that sued Florida over the purging of the list in 2000 remain skeptical.

''I'm glad they are using Florida data only and not Texas data,'' said Rep. Chris Smith, a Fort Lauderdale Democrat. ``But it's still disturbing, and I don't trust any numbers that the secretary of state gives.''

One election supervisor, Ion Sancho of Leon County, was suspicious of why state officials are pressing ahead to use the felon list this year.

''Why is the state doing this now?'' said Sancho, who is a Democrat. ``What kind of error rate will come with these lists?''

'MANDATORY' MOVE

Jenny Nash, a spokeswoman for Hood, said the state is moving ahead with the list because it is ''mandatory'' under state law. She also noted the new list has the approval of the U.S. Department of Justice, which must clear any changes to voting procedures, as well as the NAACP, which in 2001 sued the state over the list used before the presidential election.

''Part of the NAACP settlement was that the Division of Elections use more stringent matching criteria,'' Nash said. ``We feel confident that the same mistakes made in 2000 will not be repeated.''

Adora Obi Nweze, president of the Florida chapter of the NAACP, said the group is ''optimistic'' that there would not be a repeat of what happened in 2000.

''We know the state is capable of making all sorts of errors, they done it before,'' Nweze said. ``We are certainly hoping it won't happen again.''

Florida is one of just a handful of states that does not automatically restore the voting rights of convicted criminals once they leave prison. Instead, felons must ask for the restoration, which in many instances requires approval by the governor and other elected officials.

MANY DEMOCRATS

Any move to eliminate thousands of felons from voter lists would probably aid President Bush and Republican candidates. State records since 1990 show that even though blacks are nowhere near a majority of the state's population, they make up a majority of those serving time in state prisons. And a large majority of blacks traditionally vote Democratic.

Four years ago, Florida came under fire because it hired an Atlanta company to come up with a statewide list of voters that should be purged. One list given out before the 2000 election contained the names of 42,000 voters who were reportedly felons or dead or registered to vote in more than one county.

One lawyer for the People for the American Way Foundation, which participated in the 2001 lawsuit, contended that this list included 2,800 voters from states that automatically restored civil rights.

Nash said Wednesday that the new list has been provided to all 67 election supervisors, but that not all of them have yet reported back their findings to state election officials.
 
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« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2004, 06:58:18 PM »

Excellent!
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« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2004, 07:00:23 PM »

So the complaint by Dems is that the state is removing people from the voter lists who by law shouldn't be there?  Sheesh.
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« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2004, 07:25:27 PM »
« Edited: May 06, 2004, 07:27:32 PM by Senator Beet »

So the complaint by Dems is that the state is removing people from the voter lists who by law shouldn't be there?  Sheesh.

No, there is no complaint for that reason, although the law has been thrown into questionable constitutional light by the Appeals Circuit. There is only skepticism about the error rates of the list. Which is healthy since the 2000 election was stolen. I didn't believe that until I did some research myself, but now it appears agreed on a bipartisan level that innocent people were denied their right to vote due to failure of Florida officials to perform their duty.
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« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2004, 07:29:37 PM »
« Edited: May 06, 2004, 07:35:33 PM by TheGiantSaguaro »

Thank the Lord. That's one state I'll have to worry less about for this sort of finagling - that is, if this turns out to be a good solution. Certainly better than nothing!
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« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2004, 07:32:13 PM »
« Edited: May 06, 2004, 08:42:57 PM by Senator Beet »

Another thing-- This article is a little confusing because on one hand it suggests a completed list, on the other, it is obviously unsure of how many will ultimately be purged, suggesting that only preliminary data has been gathered... "potential" felons was the phrased used. I do hope they are matching by SSN and not name this time.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2004, 07:38:26 PM »

Skeptiscm about error rate of the list?  Why?  Those purged are either felons or they aren't.  It's not subjective.   There are legal records - a definite legal paper trail.  The person was a convicted felon or he or she is not.  if they are, they shouldn't be on the list as per established Florida law.
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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2004, 07:38:55 PM »

Bush will steal the election again in Florida AND Ohio. That is why I think Bush WILL win.
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2004, 07:41:49 PM »

Yeah, he couldn't possibly win it without stealing it.
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2004, 07:41:56 PM »

Skeptiscm about error rate of the list?  Why?  Those purged are either felons or they aren't.  It's not subjective.   There are legal records - a definite legal paper trail.  The person was a convicted felon or he or she is not.  if they are, they shouldn't be on the list as per established Florida law.

Well there's a paper trail but unless these people are going to be informed, if a mistake is made it probably won't come out until somebody goes and tries to vote and finds out he can't. Secondly, it is easy to confuse people's identity if two people have the same name and that's what you are going by. If they do it by SSN, and inform the people purged so that they can challenge before the election, there probably won't be a problem. If they don't, there could be.
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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2004, 07:43:01 PM »

Yeah, he couldn't possibly win it without stealing it.

Call it, insurance for his win.
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2004, 07:45:28 PM »

Ok, I can see that.  Gotta believe ss# is used.  Heck, it's used for everything else.  You're a name not a number these days.
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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2004, 07:47:22 PM »

Kind of like Senator Johnson's Shannon County, South Dakota.  Those insurance policies do come in kind of handy at times.
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2004, 07:52:29 PM »

Kind of like Senator Johnson's Shannon County, South Dakota.  Those insurance policies do come in kind of handy at times.

Are you suggesting that 164% of the eligible voters in a polling district turning out is unusual and should be investigated...?
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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2004, 08:18:09 PM »

Former felons should be allowed to vote after the served their time.  But we ain't winning Florida this time anyway.
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« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2004, 09:43:17 PM »

All felonies should be capital crimes.  That fixes the up of a justice system we've got today.
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