By a Fluke of the Gods: Cox Defeats Harding

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Presidents of the United States

29th: James Cox (Democratic - Ohio) 1921-1925
30th: Herbert Hoover (Republican - California) 1925-1933
31st: Cordell Hull (Democratic - Tennessee) 1933-1941
32nd: Douglas MacArthur (Republican - Wisconsin) 1941-1949
33rd: Ernest McFarland (Democratic - Arizona) 1949-1953
34th: Thomas Dewey (Republican - New York) 1953-1957
35th: Joseph P. Kennedy Junior (Democratic - Massachusetts) 1957-1965
36th: Richard Nixon (Republican - California) 1965-1973
37th: John Ashbrook (Democratic - Ohio) 1973-1977
38th: George Bush (Republican - Connecticut) 1977-1981
39th: Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic - Massachusetts) 1981-1983
40th: Jack Kemp (Democratic - New York) 1983-1993
41st: Reginald Jackson (Republican - Pennsylvania) 1993-2001
42nd: James Webb (Democratic - Virginia) 2001-2009
43rd: Kay Bailey Hutchison (Democratic - Texas) 2009-??

Vice Presidents of the United States

29th: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic - New York) 1921-1922
30th: Robert La Follette (Republican - Wisconsin) 1925
31st: Charles Dawes (Republican - Illinois) 1929-1933
32nd: James Curley (Democratic - Massachusetts) 1933-1941
33rd: H. Styles Bridges (Republican - New Hampshire) 1941-1949
34th: Henry Schricker (Democratic - Indiana) 1949-1953
35th: Edward Arn (Republican - Kansas) 1953-1957
36th: Stuart Symington (Democratic - Missouri) 1957-1963
37th: Margaret Chase Smith (Republican - Maine) 1965-1973
38th: James E. Carter (Democratic - Georgia) 1973-1977
39th: John Love (Republican - Colorado) 1977-1981
40th: Jack Kemp (Democratic - New York) 1981-1983
41st: John McCain (Democratic - Arizona) 1985-1993
42nd: William J. Clinton (Republican - California) 1993-1997
43rd: Paul Wellstone (Republican - Minnesota) 1997-2001
44th:  Kay Bailey Hutchison (Democratic - Texas) 2001-2009
45th: Tommy Thompson (Democratic - Wisconsin) 2009-??

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Also, thank you Rockefeller Republican for chronicling the presidents and vice-presidents.

Glad to do it Paul. Its the sort of thing I post when I'm quite bored on a Saturday or Sunday night .

One final question Paul, as of 2008 have noted presidential historians released a list of the Greatest American Presidents of all time? I wouldn't be surprised if 30th President of the United States Herbert Clark Hoover is high amongst that list.

Good and Good Luck with your upcoming teaching career. I'm sure you'll make an excellent teacher

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Event Date: 9-03-2007
Event Description: Australian Prime Minister Mark Latham barely holds onto leadership of his party at the 2007 Labor Party National Convention.

Hate to nitpick but leadership disputes in Australian politics are not sort at National Conventions like in the United States and in Canada but rather their respective caucus rooms at Parliament House in Canberra. For example today's Liberal Party leadership change which saw Malcolm Turnbull become Opposition Leader was held in the Liberal Party's current caucus rooms at Parliament House.

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I really wish you would write a new TL PBrunsel.

It would be great indeed, if and only if Paul returned to the forum...

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I really wish you would write a new TL PBrunsel.

It would be great indeed, if and only if Paul returned to the forum...

Or maybe you could continue yours?

Perhaps, although it does contain an implausibility or two...or three. The following are such examples:

- The Third Reich engages in a four year war with the Soviet Union between 1943 and 1947. Yet when war breaks out in 1954, due to the idiocracy of Hermann Fegelein, it takes the Soviets a mere four to six months to defeat the fledgling regime. Did I also mention a Cold War, despite the alternate course of history would have ensued between the United States and the Soviets.

- Prime Minister Halifax appeasing the Third Reich to such an extent that Ireland becomes united by 1942 (well, I had to include an Irishwank in there didn't I?). Not to mention the British surrendering their remaining colonies throughout the world, although that seems somewhat plausible since they began doing such during the RL premiership of Clement Atlee.

- The course of Australian politics remaining on par until the 1940 General Election, in which John Curtin manages to defeat Robert Menzies' in TTL, due to the war. If anything, it would have changed immediately if no Great Depression ensues in the late 1920s. Thus, no UAP is formed in 1931 (me thinks) between members of the Nationalists and concerned Labourites such as Joe Lyons. Sure the Nationalists, led by John Latham in TTL would defeat Scullin their lack of progress on the economic front would result in the election of a rejuvenated Labor Party led by Joe Lyons. A lot of possibilities there.

- The Second World War occurs. If President Hoover was an ardent supporter of the Weimar Republic and convinced the British and French to pay off war reparations ten they could very wel have survived. But other factors would have needed to occur. For example the election of General Lettow-Vorbeck! or more realistically the survival of German Foreign Minister Gustav Stresemann (an excellent timeline on Alternate History Discussion).

I'd dare say there would be plenty more, such as President Lowden, Kennedy and Harriman, etc. Questions or comments?

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Haha, that timeline wasn't so great after all, was it Conor?

Indeed it was not, hence my reasoning's for not restarting it. But, I can be agreed Xahar that it was fun while it lasted, and better than some other timelines around at the time, for example TR wins in 1912, especially after the war between the US and USSR in 1964 over Israel (sorry Ben) and one of Garrison's many timelines. My sincerest apologies to those that liked it.

Some of the changes weren't butterfly, just random. (Halifax?)

I don't know what I was thinking. Especially since I was trying to mold it around those who I planned to become President in the timeline's due course. Note to self, never, never do it again. Nor be influenced by Richard Harris' Fatherland, hence the rise of Joseph P. Kennedy as President (ha!) and the survival of the Third Reich. Looking back on it now, butterflies could have resulted in Trotsky leading the Soviet Union!

Anywho, here's a list of Presidents for the timeline:

29. Herbert Hoover (R-CA): 1921-1929
30. Frank Lowden (R-IL): 1929-1933¹
31. Newton Baker (D-OH): 1933-1937
32. Joseph P. Kennedy (D-MA): 1937-1945²
33. Wendell Willkie (R-NY): 1945-1953
34. Averell Harriman (D-NY): 1953-1961
35. Ronald Reagan (D-CA): 1961-1965
36. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY): 1965-1973
37. John Connally (D-TX): 1973-1978
38. John Ashbrook (D-OH): 1978-1981
39. Mark Hatfield (R-OR): 1981-1989
40. Gary Hart (R-CO): 1989-1993
41. Jack Kemp (D-NY): 1993-2001
42. Colin Powell (R-NY): 2001-2009
43. Hillary Rodham (D-IL): 2009-Present

Notes

1: Probably would have been replaced with a Hooverite, most likely then Representative Fiorello H. La Guardia of New York. Would have been a staunch internationalist, continuation of aid to the Weimar Republic, etc. On the domestic front, President La Guardia attempted to expand the New Deal agenda only to cause much controversy, consequently losing to Newton D. Baker in November 1932.

2: I had two options for this. Firstly, Governor Kennedy still would have been selected by Baker as his running mate in 1932, only to assume the presidency upon his death in December 1937 continue his conservative legacy while President. Scandal would later engulf the Kennedy White House, revelations of links to the Mafia or extramarital affair, etc and consequently resign or be impeached by the Congress in August 1943. Secondly, FDR, whom is a conservative in this timeline joins Baker on the ticket, becomes President and oversees the war effort against Japan. Oh wait, that actually didn't happen...

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TR wins in 1912, especially after the war between the US and USSR in 1964 over Israel (sorry Ben)

It was good overall, it just made some errors (like that one).

For example: Blanche Lincoln and especially Mark Warner never becoming President of the United States, despite his fellow Virginians Claude Swanson and John Warner gracing the halls of the White House. How very disappointed in you I was because of it .

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I want PBrunsel to return so bad! I was lucky to be active when he still graced this forum.

Not when he was Hawkeye he wasn't. Ask those forumites that were here around 2005 why.