Maine's Question 1

[Holmes]

We won Auburn 51.5 - 49.5. It's part of Lewiston metro, really catholic. It's good.

I'm hearing No is winning 57 - 43 with No's base mostly out (not reported apparently) but I'm not seeing that anywhere else so idk.

[Holmes]

Absentees for Portland

6,291 No to 1,762 Yes

[Holmes]

Maine does win the award for "Slowest Counting of the Night"

Haha, fo sho. And take Lunar's advice, and just calm down. It might not even be done tonight depending on how fast they count the absentees.

[Holmes]

Not this god damn 48% again.

[Holmes]

Apparently 35% of Portland still has to report, plus absentees. Yarmouth, Brunswick and Cape Elizabeth yet to report too, some of out strong support.

[Holmes]

Apparently 35% of Portland still has to report, plus absentees.

      Promising, though I don't think No on 1 can count on absentees to pull it through. Aren't absentee voters largely elderly after all?

The No on 1 campaign made a heavy effort to getting all their supporters vote absentee.

[Holmes]

Apparently 35% of Portland still has to report, plus absentees.

      Promising, though I don't think No on 1 can count on absentees to pull it through. Aren't absentee voters largely elderly after all?

The No on 1 campaign made a heavy effort to getting all their supporters vote absentee.

     Though I wonder how much they'll win absentees by given the leanings of people who usually vote absentee.

To put it in perspective, in 2007, Portland received 127 absentee ballots, and this year they received over 7000k. Same all over the state. I'd say those who usually vote absentee are outnumbered this year.

[Holmes]

Why isn't Portland counting the rest of its precincts?

[Holmes]

South Portland still has a lot to count, by hand. Because they were photocopied ballots. And absentees.

[Holmes]

I got classes early in the morning, so I'm gonna go to bed now... I wonder what I'll wake up to in the morning. Night y'all.

[Holmes]

I don't know. In California, I know why we lost. This time we did it right and we still lost. And now ing NOM and the catholic church are having a field day and I don't even wanna think about it. Will of the people to butt in on the lives of the minority!!1

[Holmes]

Maine, go fuck yourself you regressive bigoted piece of sh**t state. What a worthless dump.

I'm majorly pissed off.

It's alright man. Maybe in 3 more years. It's back to talking to voters for them.

[Holmes]

Maine is a joke state now


I'm surprised, if this can't pass in Maine... is there any hope for America?

You're acting as if Maine is a carbon copy of Massachussets, Vermont or Rhode Island. FWIW, Maine was really liberal in every other Question on the ballot as well.


Suck it Reaganfan, TABOR II went down in flames by 20%, and a tax repeal initiative by 50%. Where's your Hoffman now?

[Holmes]

Maine is a joke state now.

I'm not getting the Maine bashing. I'm sure Mass. would have voted against gay marriage in 2006 if it had gone to the ballot as Romney and Finneran wanted. We don't win popularity contests. Minority rights rarely do. Meanwhile, No on 1 did an amazing job, and Maine's legislature and governor really led on this issue unlike any other state. I'm disappointed but not demoralized or surprised.

Mmhmm. It's now in people's minds in Maine. I bet it's basically become a given after last night for Democratic officials in Maine to support same-sex marriage now, even if it narrowly lost. Just like what happened in California.

Compared to California, it won't be easy to plot the next step in Maine because Maine actually led a good GOTV operation. I'm guessing 2012 will be the next shot. Fortunately with what I said about the Democrats supporting it now, and Peter Mills probably being the Republican nominee, I'm willing to bet that Maine's next governor would sign the same bill.

[Holmes]

No one's asking you to recognize it, in fact no one cares that you recognize anything cause you're irrelevant. This is about the state recognizing the marriages. And now I'm awaiting that you reply to me by quoting at least 10 Bible verses.

And I'm not gonna lie, I read Franzl's post, and saw the avatar, and thought it was our other favourite D-IL poster.

[Holmes]

No one's asking you to recognize it, in fact no one cares that you recognize anything cause you're irrelevant. This is about the state recognizing the marriages. And now I'm awaiting that you reply to me by quoting at least 10 Bible verses.

the state is an extension of the people, the people are an extension of the individual.  Sodom and Gomorrah is not just historical, it is also prophetical, which is why Jesus used it to describe the end times.  Your side will get their way, but only for a season, until Christ returns.  As for me, I will choose to hold to God's word.  I will not join with those who believe the lie and are condemned.  So, let the chips fall where they may.

Yeah, I wouldn't have minded getting into a debate about state vs people, but you had to go into a whole speech about some fairy tale.

[Holmes]

When the biggest university campus in Maine voted 81% No and with other campuses with similar margins, I can put my hand in fire that the young vote wasn't 51-48.

[Holmes]

I don't know if there's any exit polling, actually. We might never really know the age demographics of last night.

When the biggest university campus in Maine voted 81% No and with other campuses with similar margins, I can put my hand in fire that the young vote wasn't 51-48.

Well don't forget people from more rural areas who may not attend college. But yeah, the margin wouldn't have been that close.

I've lived in a relatively rural city for a good part of my life, so I can attest to this. After graduating, young people in rural areas usually take flight into bigger cities, and/or university campuses. The young people who stay with the family and get a job after graduation are probably in the 35% 18-29 demographic that are against same-sex marriage.

Well, from what I've seen, anyway.

[Holmes]

lol Spade. Thanks for your wise insight.

[Holmes]

Nah, it's pretty popular in liberal territory. Have you seen the town results map? Down in Cumberland, some parts of York and on the midcoast, No won by large margins, but up in the rural and catholic part of the state, they got blown out of the water.

Well, if you consider cities like Lewiston and Augusta to be liberal, then yeah, maybe it's not popular in liberal territory, but...

And don't make it sound like it was a large margin. A few years ago, this sort of referendum might not even have broken 40% in the state, especially on an off-off year.