Brazil thread 2023-

[buritobr]

Lula is one of the few national leaders in the world in 2023/24 who has a >50% approval rate

Not only his administration, but also his foreign policy has a positive net approval rate, according to Atlas poll conducted in November 2023

As it was mentioned, Lula doesn't have an anti-Israel rethoric. His views on the war in Middle East is similar to the views of the leaders of almost every country of the global periphery: criticism on the mass killing of palestinian civilians and on the destruction of houses, hospitals, university in Gaza

There are 2 different groups in Brazil who are very pro-Israel: the first one the evangelic right, pro-Bolsonaro. The evangelic churches are becoming very interested on the Old Testament. The second one is the anglo-americanophile liberals (not in the American meaning of the world) who usually come from the upper middle class, have their opinion shaped by the CNN and The Economist and would jump through the window if the western world say that jumping through the window is good. People in this group usually dislike both PT and Bolsonaro. Most of them considered Bolsonaro the lesser of the evils in 2018 and some of them considered PT the lesser of the evils in 2022.
For people outside these groups, the war in the Middle East is not an important part of their lives.

[buritobr]

Today, there was the 1st anniversary of the failed putsch of January 8th. There were demonstrations in big cities to support democracy and to oppose the amnesty to the violators. Lula organized an event with judges of the Supreme Court and the president of the Senate in order to remember this anniversary. The state governors were invited by only 12 attended. The governors from opposition parties didn't attend.

The 01/08/2023 in Brasília had similarities to the Capitol invasion of 01/06/2021. But here in Latin America we have to be more worried about the putsch attempts, because this king of event can happen here. There was a putsch in Bolivia in 2019 which was different to the classic military putschs of the 1960s and 1970s. It didn't start when the army put vehicles on the streets. It started when extremists occupied the streets and the army accepted to keep order only if Evo Morales resign. The intent of the extremists in Brazil in January 2023 was to copy this kind of riot.

[Red Velvet]

Lula is one of the few national leaders in the world in 2023/24 who has a >50% approval rate

Not only his administration, but also his foreign policy has a positive net approval rate, according to Atlas poll conducted in November 2023

Not only this but Foreign Policy was also the highest well-rated aspects of his presidency according to that November 2023 Atlas poll in terms of the % who said “Great”.

Though I don’t think it means large widespread support for Lula’s positions in Ukraine and Israel either (like I said, normal people just don’t care much), people just compare to the Foreign Relations that Bolsonaro had and he didn’t get along with literally anyone, which makes easy to look great on the matter.

But besides that comparison, Lula has constructed the image of a Statesman that is present and involved in Global discussions, which naturally elevates perceptions of Foreign Policy simply because it’s something he shows himself present and interested by with all his international travels.

Lula’s government segments rated by Brazilians in Atlas November 2023 poll, from best to worst:

1.  Agricultural Policy: +15 net between Great + Good and Bad + Awful
- Great - 37%
- Good - 15%
- Average - 11%
- Bad - 8%
- Awful - 29%

2. Foreign Policy: +12 net
- Great - 47%
- Good - 6%
- Average - 6%
- Bad - 4%
- Awful - 37%

3. Human Rights and Racial Equality: +12 net
- Great - 44%
- Good - 8%
- Average - 8%
- Bad - 8%
- Awful - 32%

4. Tourism, Culture and Events: +7 net
- Great - 32%
- Good - 18%
- Average - 8%
- Bad - 6%
- Awful - 37%

5. Education Policy: +6 net
- Great - 35%
- Good - 15%
- Average - 6%
- Bad - 7%
- Awful - 37%

6. Investments; Infrastructure and Public Constructions: +5 net
- Great - 33%
- Good - 13%
- Average - 13%
- Bad - 4%
- Awful - 37%

7. Easiness for Business and Tax Burden: +4 net
- Great - 30%
- Good - 18%
- Average - 8%
- Bad - 7%
- Awful - 37%

8. Poverty Reduction and Social Policy: +3 net
- Great - 42%
- Good - 5%
- Average - 9%
- Bad - 5%
- Awful - 39%

9. Industrial and Energetic Policy: +2 net
- Great - 31%
- Good - 17%
- Average - 7%
- Bad - 9%
- Awful - 37%

10. Justice and Fighting against Corruption: +2 net
- Great - 29%
- Good - 20%
- Average - 4%
- Bad - 6%
- Awful - 41%

11. Health Policy: +2 net
- Great - 25%
- Good - 21%
- Average - 10%
- Bad - 7%
- Awful - 37%

12. Fiscal Responsibility and Spending Control: +1 net
- Great - 32%
- Good - 16%
- Average - 6%
- Bad - 5%
- Awful - 42%

13. Transports; Roads and Airports: +1 net
- Great - 27%
- Good - 19%
- Average - 10%
- Bad - 5%
- Awful - 40%

14. Environmental Policy: 0 net
- Great - 37%
- Good - 8%
- Average - 10%
- Bad - 7%
- Awful - 38%

15. Public Safety: -4 net
- Great - 27%
- Good - 16%
- Average - 11%
- Bad - 6%
- Awful - 41%

16. Housing and Urbanization of Favelas: -4 net
- Great - 26%
- Good - 17%
- Average - 11%
- Bad - 9%
- Awful - 38%

In comparison to whether people think these aspects are better or worse under Lula in comparison to Bolsonaro, the main figure of the Right:

1. Foreign Policy: +10 net
- Better - 52%
- Worse - 42%

2. Tourism, Culture and Events: +8 net
- Better - 51%
- Worse - 43%

3. Human Rights and Racial Equality: +6 net
- Better - 49%
- Worse - 43%

4. Environmental Policy: +3 net
- Better - 49%
- Worse - 46%

5. Poverty Reduction and Social Policy: +3 net
- Better - 48%
- Worse - 45%

6. Agricultural Policy: +2 net
- Better - 50%
- Worse - 48%

7. Education Policy: +2 net
- Better - 49%
- Worse - 47%

8. Easiness for Business and Tax Burden: +2 net
- Better - 46%
- Worse - 44%

9. Transports; Roads and Airports: +2 net
- Better - 44%
- Worse - 42%

10. Investments; Infrastructure and Public Constructions: +1 net
- Better - 49%
- Worse - 48%

11. Health Policy: +1 net
- Better - 46%
- Worse - 45%

12. Housing and Urbanization of Favelas: +1 net
- Better - 43%
- Worse - 42%

13. Industrial and Energetic Policy: -3 net
- Better - 45%
- Worse - 48%

14. Public Safety: -3 net
- Better - 45%
- Worse - 48%

15. Justice and Fighting against Corruption: -4 net
- Better - 45%
- Worse - 48%

16. Fiscal Responsibility and Spending Control: -8 net
- Better - 43%
- Worse - 51%

Between the two methods, I find the 2nd one much more useful because it measures approval in relation to your main opposition. But you need to look at both simultaneously to have a clear picture.

For example, Agricultural Policy is easily the highest rated aspect of Lula’s policy but that’s because of how the Agro has grown so much in recent years helping drive up economic growth, meaning it was very well-evaluated under Bolsonaro as well. In the 2nd method, Lula’s Agro policy is still better rated but the +2 net is much closer than the previous +15 when people look at the government by itself without being stimulated to compare it to the previous one.

Same thing Environmental policy but the reverse happens. When people are asked to judge Lula’s environmental policy by itself you get tepid numbers, with a tie between positive and negative evaluations resulting in a 0 net. However when compared to Bolsonaro, that net grows to +3 in favor of Lula and Environmental Policy is the category that moves up in position the most, going from #14 in 1st method (one of the last) to #4 in 2nd method (one of the highest).

Foreign Policy is very consistent in both measures (#2 and #1), which means Lula’s foreign policy is very well-rated in comparison to Bolsonaro but evaluating by itself as well.

Interesting to notice that the government positive margins of evaluation happen when it’s seen by itself instead of compared to Bolsonaro, which tells something that people may not realize but it’s very real: Bolsonaro is still quite popular even after a year of his presidency and being declared ineligible - at least for half of the Brazilian population. He only was defeated because Lula is also extremely popular.

When we talk about comparing to Bolsonaro, the liberals here may have the impression the evaluation goes obviously up because of their own bias but that’s not the case at all. The populist right very much connects with a wide variety if people and that includes a good number of people who are sympathetic towards Lula as well and that would easily have voted Bolsonaro if Lula wasn’t running.

[buritobr]

According to Atlas poll, the most unpopular foreign leaders in Brazil are the enemies of the West: Putin, Xi Jinping, Kim Jong-un, Maduro. They have the lowest approval rates. But Lula's foreign policy has positive net approval because it's not a pro Putin, Xi Jinpping, Kim Jong-un, Maduro foreign policy. Only mad westeners think this is true. Lula's foreign policy is about multilateralism and south-south cooperation. Lula met Putin many times in the 1st and 2nd term (2003-2010) because of the BRICS, but since Lula was released on 2019, he still didn't meet Putin. He met Emmanuel Macron and Olaf Scholz many times. He has already met Zelensky, in NYC, during the UN General Assembly in September 2023.
Brazilian government endorsed the South Africa's case against Israel, but this policy is not related to China and Russia. Both superpowers are silent during the Israel vs Arabs conflict. Most of the criticism to Israel comes from the global south, which includes Latin America, Africa and the Middle East.

[buritobr]

Atlas Poll today

Lula's administration
Approve 52%  Disapprove 43%
Approval rate is increasing again


Party identification
None 38.9%
PT 29.3%
PL 17.9%
Novo 1.6%
PSDB 1.6%
PSOL 1.3%


Views on liberal democracy, communism, military dictatorship, fascism


Approval rate of the most important Brazilian politicians


Comparison between Lula's and Bolsonaro's administrations in different areas


International relations is an area in which Lula has one of the largest margins againt Bolsonaro: 51% prefer the international relations of Lula's administration, 40% prefer the international relations of Bolsonaro's administration. Those who considered Lula's foreign policy anti-Israel and predicted that he would loose popularity due to this policy were wrong.

[President Johnson]

Apparently Bolsonaro's home had been raided and his passport was confiscated.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1755624156446519301

[buritobr]

Brazil's ex-leader Bolsonaro to have passport seized over coup probe

Brazil's ex-President Jair Bolsonaro has been given 24 hours to surrender his passport amid an ongoing investigation into the 2023 storming of Brazil's Congress by his supporters.

Police accuse him of having led a failed plot to remain in power after losing the election to his left-wing rival, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.

Mr Bolsonaro says the operation is politically motivated.

Three of Mr Bolsonaro's allies have been arrested.
...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-68239341?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_format=link&at_link_origin=BBCWorld&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_id=8C5D39B6-C69C-11EE-950F-5DBBD0B4AF07&at_campaign_type=owned&at_medium=social&at_link_type=web_link&at_bbc_team=editorial

The 8/1 in Brazil is much worse than the 6/1 in the US, since there is a long tradition of coups in Latin America and some generals close to Bolsonaro took part in the meetings.

[Red Velvet]

I disagree that it was worse when you look at the actual consequences of both events:

Brazil: Bolsonaro already declared ineligible, has his passport seized and allies jailed and soon is going to prison himself.

USA: Trump about to get elected again this year because no one did anything to hold him accountable.

Sure, it had potential to end much worse, I agree. But the fact that it didn’t and we escaped from it matters a lot and much more.

Btw, PL party president Valdemar Costa Neto was also jailed today by the federal police after an unregistered gun was found at his place. Many Bolsonaro allies like Filipe Martins, who aided with international relations stuff, also got imprisoned.

Just an hour ago the news here started talking about a coup declaration being found at the PL headquarters, they were planning after their defeat in 2022 to declare a State of siege in order to keep Bolsonaro as president either way lol.

There was a lot of military quiet support let’s say, but many refused in the inside not because they’re democrats but because they thought it wouldn’t work or be sustainable. So they’re not exactly heroes either, just not as stupid and more cowardly than the hardline Bolsominions there who really pushed for it.

The Army commander denial was apparently decisive in the attempt not even going forward. The Navy commander otoh at the time wanted to go for it.

Everything is well documented, the Federal Police got everything and they say the documentation of the coup planning and intent, even if not consumed, is even more widely documented than the actual 1964 coup that happened. These people are fuuuuuuuuuucked.

[Mike88]

Everything is well documented, the Federal Police got everything and they say the documentation of the coup planning and intent, even if not consumed, is even more widely documented than the actual 1964 coup that happened. These people are fuuuuuuuuuucked.

Priceless. They are so incompetent that they needed to have every single step written, otherwise they would "trip over their own feet". And, nonetheless, they did indeed "trip over their own feet" and now they have everything exposed.

[Red Velvet]

Everything is well documented, the Federal Police got everything and they say the documentation of the coup planning and intent, even if not consumed, is even more widely documented than the actual 1964 coup that happened. These people are fuuuuuuuuuucked.

Priceless. They are so incompetent that they needed to have every single step written, otherwise they would "trip over their own feet". And, nonetheless, they did indeed "trip over their own feet" and now they have everything exposed.

It’s not just written.

There are recordings of meetings with Bolsonaro himself:

https://twitter.com/BrunnoMeloCBN/status/1755903503652864420
These are only TWO excerpts but I like this one in particular because he completely roasts himself and his presidency there: “Essa cadeira é uma cagada” lol

[Mike88]

Everything is well documented, the Federal Police got everything and they say the documentation of the coup planning and intent, even if not consumed, is even more widely documented than the actual 1964 coup that happened. These people are fuuuuuuuuuucked.

Priceless. They are so incompetent that they needed to have every single step written, otherwise they would "trip over their own feet". And, nonetheless, they did indeed "trip over their own feet" and now they have everything exposed.

It’s not just written.

There are recordings of meetings with Bolsonaro himself:

Wait, did they recorded it on purpose or was it secretly taped?

[Red Velvet]

Everything is well documented, the Federal Police got everything and they say the documentation of the coup planning and intent, even if not consumed, is even more widely documented than the actual 1964 coup that happened. These people are fuuuuuuuuuucked.

Priceless. They are so incompetent that they needed to have every single step written, otherwise they would "trip over their own feet". And, nonetheless, they did indeed "trip over their own feet" and now they have everything exposed.

It’s not just written.

There are recordings of meetings with Bolsonaro himself:

Wait, did they recorded it on purpose or was it secretly taped?

That video was recorded by military ally and helper of Bolsonaro, Mauro Cid. He worked in his government basically as a “Faz Tudo” / “Do-it-all”, responsible to follow general orders from Bolsonaro.

He is a “Colonel-Tenant” from the Brazilian Army and was going to become a full Coronel (Colonel in English), which is the 3rd Highest Army rank that it exists, behind Marshal and General, at least before his involvement in this stuff began to explode in the media last year.

Mauro Cid had the video in his personal computer, which was apprehended by the Brazilian federal police in May 2023. The video and its content however is only being released to the public today.

I am not aware of the reasons for recording the meeting but I’ve seen it being branded as “Uncarefulness” that he simply kept it in his computer instead of “Betrayal” that he even recorded it in the 1st place.

So I assume he was only following the president orders and that everyone there knew they were being recorded.

[CumbrianLefty]

This was all treated as a bit of a joke at the time, I certainly did not realise it was in reality so serious.

[Red Velvet]

This was all treated as a bit of a joke at the time, I certainly did not realise it was in reality so serious.

What, the people in government actively wanting a coup to stay in power even if they lost the elections? It shouldn’t be surprising when you understand the real background they came from, especially Bolsonaro.

What was decisive was never the good intentions of these people because they never had that, but:

A) The intelligence and competence to pull-off a coup of the kind
B) The courage to actually go through with it and risk their heads if it wasn’t sustainable for long
C) The resilience to face the giant amount of opposition and isolation they would face, both domestically and internationally, after the fact.

The Brazilian Right clearly has 0 out of 3 of these things, so I never really bought the fear of regime change actually going through in Brazil like it happened in 1964, even if they actually went through with it.

That they didn’t even if they wanted is only relevant to me in how it shows that they themselves KNOW they’re not good enough to pull and sustain that kind of stuff for long, so at least some minimal level of self-awareness these people do have about their individual limitations despite the theatrical high self-confidence to say stupid stuff out loud.

If the self-confidence was higher than the self-awareness, they would risk their heads for what they truly always believed in and never stopped doing so since after the fall of the Military Regime.

The thing people have to understand about Brazilian Right is that they cannot even be called part of an “ideological Right” like it exists in other countries. That requires some level of minimal intellectual baggage, to be ideologically associated to one side or the other.. Even Milei believes in something ideological though extreme; European right does believe in something too, even the GOP in USA to some degree in their multiple facets through time.

The only thing that ideologically defined Bolsonaro; military regime dictatorship and even the whole popular uproar in Brazilian street protests of 2010s was purely based on hate and opposition for the Left / PT / Lula.

Like, they can be effective to point out only stuff they are AGAINST, which is extremely useful electorally whenever people aren’t satisfied with whoever is in government. But having only destructive power and zero constructive power makes you useless when you’re in actual government, which is why they eventually always lose in the long term. They can impose serious damage but they can really never win if they don’t have anything to stand up to themselves.

Even most of the declared “agenda” of the Bolsonaro movement seems a rehash of old failed ideas or new imported trash from USA that doesn’t speak to actual reality and issues from Brazil, such as facilitation of access to guns or antivaxx stuff when 99% of population vaccinated themselves for COVID. Brazilian Right lives in a world that isn’t real, except on the inside if their heads. Which is why it’s hard to be seriously concerned with them.

[PSOL]

RV, the right in Europe and North America really doesn’t believe in anything either but to benefit themselves. Ideological dressing in itself is just a more effective way at s•••posting and riling a respective base. Brazil’s lowbrow political culture is more honest than those in other countries and is just reflexive of the many castes such a diverse country actually has.

The obscurantist style present in political discourse is just intellectual wankery and d!ccwaiving. No wonder in an age of diminishing returns people would be losing that sense of trying to appear smart.

[buritobr]

In the final day of his trip to Africa, in Ethiopia, Lula made a paralell between the deaths of civilian palestines in Gaza by the IDF and Hitler killing the jews.

Of course, considering only the historical facts, this paralell is wrong. But we can discuss the political consequences of this speech. On one hand, the use of strong words might push for an increase of the attenction of the world about what is happening in Gaza, after some "civilized countries" tried even to censor protests. On the other hand, that choice of words may be a positive political fact for Netanyahu, whose approval rate at home is low.

Comparisons to Holocaust have many problems, but Lula didn't invent them. The Israeli government compares its enemies to nazis. Israeli authorities had already used at UN the star used by the jews during the Holocaust. Many anti-west dictators are usually compared to Hitler by western media and politicians and nobody complains.

Netanyahu has already made a horrible statement about the nazis some years ago. He said that the palestine leader convinced Hitler to eliminate the jews.

In the international front, this speech seems to not have created great damage to Lula. No western leader complained. We didn't see Joe Biden, Olaf Scholz and Emmanuel Macron criticizing this speech.

In the domestic front, some trouble might have been created. During the days before this speech, all the news were good for Lula. The economy is doing well, the focus of the media was the investigation of Bolsonaro's coup attempt, Lula's speech about the friendship between Brazilians and Africans one day before was very good.
After the paralell between Israel and Hitler, this speech became the focus of the news, and every other topic disappeared. Criticizing Lula's speech was an issue that unified the center-right and the Bolsonaro's base.
During the 1st and the 2nd terms, Lula's administration used to receive a very negative coverage of the mainstream media. During the 3rd term, the mainstream media avoided harsh criticism to Lula, in order to avoid to side with Bolsonaro. But this statement about Israel received harsh criticism of the mainstream media.

[buritobr]

During the meeting of the G20 ministers of foreign affairs in Rio de Janeiro, both Lavrov and Anthony Blinken attended a samba party organized by the mayor Eduardo Paes.
Brazil is doing something for the world peace

[buritobr]

The days after Lula's statement on Gaza and Hitler:

The most leftist Lula's supporters say that his statement was correct. The far left goes even further and consider that Brazil should cut diplomatic ties to Israel.

Many Lula supporters have what I consider the most reasonable view. Lula's choice of words was not the best one, but wrong actions are much worse than wrong words. Lula's bad choice of words should not be used as a smoke to hide the murder of 30K civilians in Gaza.

Only the Bolsonaro's loyal base is trying to transform Lula's statement in a political scandal.

The media used harsh criticism in the day following Lula's statement, some pundits said that Lula was moving Brazil far from the "civilized" (=western) world. But after the so soft answers of Anthony Blinken and Annalena Baerbock, the media lowered the level of criticism. It is a kind of underdog behavior. Brazilian media usually sees the leaders of developed countries as their leaders.

[Red Velvet]

On the Brazil Reddit practically everyone supports Lula’s statement and are mocking Israel. But I wouldn’t call people there far-left at all, more like your average high-education young progressive centrist person that leans way more to left after the Bolsonaro years.

It’s about putting the same weight of massacres happening inside the White world borders into massacres that happens outside those borders. Argument about diminishing Holocaust weight is ridiculous because it’s all about ADDING weight to the genocide that is currently happening and that people keep creating excuses to ignore.

The impressions on the matter seems to lean on how people position themselves on the left/right spectrum but more than that, it heavily depends on the low-information/high-information demographics as well. With the more high-education demos being more likely to align with Lula’s speech. Vosem had a point before in a different thread when he talked about low-information right-wing demos in Brazil suddenly turning very Pro-Israel.

I do think it’s hilarious how the Brazilian Far-Right always sucked politically neutral people like Monark just because of the “Freedom of Expression” speech when it was convenient for them. Now that Monark is actively defending Lula statement as the truth he’s being treated as traitor by the  Bolsominions and the Liberals that always sympathized with him.

And that’s because he never even defended Israel previously, but people’s takeaway from defending something one side say then that means you’re with that side lol. I’ve seen people in the Right calling Monark a Petista.

It’s kinda ridiculous how campism seems to define most people positions these days. The moment someone has ANY critical thinking about any position of their “camp” they’re treated like enemies lol.

[Red Velvet]

The media used harsh criticism in the day following Lula's statement, some pundits said that Lula was moving Brazil far from the "civilized" (=western) world. But after the so soft answers of Anthony Blinken and Annalena Baerbock, the media lowered the level of criticism. It is a kind of underdog behavior. Brazilian media usually sees the leaders of developed countries as their leaders.

The thing to measure Brazilian mainstream media opinions is that they will always be scandalized by anything they perceive to be opposition to the Western world because they identify with it. It’s a White Elite controlling information even if the country itself as a whole doesn’t have the same background.

So the extremely weak US/Germany response, basically not caring at all in public, automatically strengthens Lula’s position to the media, which is now being more defensive and following a narrative in line of what you’re defending as the “correct” position. Because the initial reaction was to easily fall prey to the Far-Right hysteria yeah.

You immediately notice how dumb these people in Brazilian media are because it’s not even like the USA government likes Lula’s statement because they don’t, it’s just that they happen to be in an electoral year where this topic is very sensitive to their young electorate and opposing Lula on the matter wouldn’t play good domestically for them when they want to convince these US kids they minimally are concerned about Palestinians dying.

Also, democrats may be the same as republicans in the sense they support the same monstrous evil policies, but democrats do it with shame. So it was always OBVIOUS the response outside Israel would be muted, making the talk of “international crisis” ridiculous. I always knew Lula would easily empower his position domestically and internationally through that phrase.

Internationally because of the respect he holds everywhere, both in the Global South and in the West. Domestically because of the reasons previously mentioned, the media ALWAYS caters to any international position that doesn’t creates tensions with the White countries they see as superior, which are US/Europe and that Israel isn’t really an essential part of in their mindset.

Now that they realize the initial impression of tensions with the West was completely pathetic, they’re only going back to business as usual status-quo by normalizing what Lula said to the population.

[buritobr]

Today, there was a huge demonstration in São Paulo-SP supporting Bolsonaro. Far-right governors like Tarcísio Freitas (São Paulo), Romeu Zema (Minas Gerais), Ronaldo Caiado (Goiás) attended. Evangelic leaders supported this event. The demonstrators want to avoid a Bolsonaro's arrest, which can take place in the next days. The former president is under investigation concerning the coup attempt. Despite the large number of people at the center of São Paulo-SP, this demonstration was not a big fact for Bolsonaro. It was not like the demonstrations for Dilma Rousseff's impeachment, which took place in many big cities in 2015 and 2016. There was only one rally today, in São Paulo-SP, and Bolsonaro's supporters in other cities traveled to attend the event. That's why it was possible to join that crowd.

There were many Israel flags in the rally

[Oryxslayer]

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There were many Israel flags in the rally

Those aren't Israeli flags...though would you really expect Bolsonaro-ists to know the difference?

[buritobr]

There are many people who earn money selling flags to demonstrators. And they produced a wrong Israel flag. This is a wicca pentagram. Nothing related to abrahamic religions.

Here we can see a demonstrator, who said "we are wearing the flag of Israel, because we are christians, like Israel"
https://twitter.com/GeopolPt/status/1761856159793684919

[Red Velvet]

The interviews with some of these Bolsonarists are HILARIOUS:

Interviewer: “Why are you wearing Israel’s flag?”

Bolsonarist Woman: “Because we are Christians, just like Israel”

Interviewer: “But Israel isn’t Christian, do you know that?”

Bolsonarist Woman: “But Israel represents us. We aren’t Socialists and we aren’t Communists. And Israel is like us.”

Average Low-Information Right-Wing person correlation with Israel support confirmed. These people are way too dumb and uneducated to even know what they stand for. Israel just became a bastion of the global far-right and they go along with it based on the ~vibes~

Lula needs to go more against Israel to press these MFs and energize the Anti-Bolsonarist base since Bolsonarists are fusing with Israel and bringing it into domestic politics. Do the exact opposite of what Biden is doing in the US, losing votes by catering to Israel despite the Trumpist/Israel alliance.

[SInNYC]

So, a christian is waving a wiccan symbol because israel is christian?