Majority of U.S. Doctors Back National Insurance Plan

[Person Man]

http://www.livescience.com/healthday/613954.html

[King of the Bench]

APRIL FOOLS

[Person Man]

I don't see anything disclaiming it...

[Ban my account ffs!]

It's not about what the doctors want.  It's about what the people who profit off of sick people want.

Remember.. when your grandma has cancer and dies... the GDP goes up!  Yay for economic growth!

[Person Man]

....and I thought that the Club For Growth was a Male Enhancement group. Anyways, Doctors get paid no matter what. Hell, there's good government jobs for Lawyers that pay about 150,000 a year.

[opebo]

....and I thought that the Club For Growth was a Male Enhancement group. Anyways, Doctors get paid no matter what. Hell, there's good government jobs for Lawyers that pay about 150,000 a year.

Many doctors think they should make over a million a year - thats not unusual if they're 'specialists' and have their own clinics.

[Person Man]

Yes. But a good job at the federal government can pay you what you are worth. Someone whose been a lawyer for 10 years can make 150,000. Someone who is a top scientist can make 250,000 a year. ...and a NHS doesn't neccesiarily mean you will be a government employee. You can still have your private practice, but you will be paid by the government in some circumstances and the very money used unwisely in emergency rooms can be sent to your office- you can actually do better under this system.

[SPC]

A majority of Southerners also once thought it was okay to enslave people because of their race. A majority of Germans once thought it was okay to kill people in the name of building the master race. A majority of people behind something doesn't mean jacksh**t over whether that thing is a good idea.

[2952-0-0]

A majority of Germans once thought it was okay to kill people in the name of building the master race.

You invoked Godwin's Law. Hence, you lose.

[Person Man]

Yeah, seriously.

[SPC]

A majority of Germans once thought it was okay to kill people in the name of building the master race.

You invoked Godwin's Law. Hence, you lose.

I wasn't comparing doctors to Nazis or Confederates. I was pointing out that majoritarianism doesn't always yield good results (in fact more often than not, they don't)

[dead0man]

We shouldn't base medical policy on what the doctors say anymore than we should base our education policy on what the teachers say.  They are both just one part of a bigger picture.  We should listen to what they have to say of course, give it consideration, but don't build legislation on it.

[ottermax]

My Aunt is a physician at a Children's Hospital in San Diego, and this is her argument for Universal Health Care:
-There are too many middlemen in health care, such as insurance providers, which actually makes it more expensive and more of a hassle
-Most doctors would still work hard, because their job is to save people's lives.
The biggest argument deals with immigrants:
-hundreds of sick children come to San Diego from Mexico to have quality treatment
-however, few have enough money to pay for surgery, and never have health care
-the doctors aren't supposed to treat illegal immigrants, but then there is a moral issue: How do you tell a five-year-old child "no" for a surgery to help a life-threatening condition?
-universal health care means that doctors can operate without having to worry about how the patient pays; if there is an emergency, the patient can have surgery immediately even if they can't afford it.

[dead0man]

My Aunt is a physician at a Children's Hospital in San Diego, and this is her argument for Universal Health Care:
-There are too many middlemen in health care, such as insurance providers, which actually makes it more expensive and more of a hassle

So lets add another middle man.  The biggest middle man in history.  The US Govt.

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Agreed.

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BS.  If it's life threatening they have to fix them.  It's in their oath.

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If it's a life threatening emergency EVERYBODY in the US (no matter how they got there) get's life saving aid.  (please no anecdote's where people were turned away and later died or whatever.  sh**t happens and it would still happen if we switched to Socialized health care.)

So basically, if we switched to universal health care nothing would change in regards to illegals crossing the border for care.  They'd still get it if they were dying (just like they do now), maybe the group of people on the hook for the missing money would change from the hospital that it took place in (and all the people that go to that hospital and pay for it) to the entire nation of taxpayers.  YEAH!   It is not the job of the US taxpayer to pay for the emergency medical care of any and everybody in the world that can somehow make it into one of our hospitals.

Now everybody get in line and tell me what a horribly selfish person I am.

[opebo]

Free State provided health care is about providing preventative care and long term care and drugs for people with chronic ailments, not about emergency room care, which is an insignificant part of any normal health care system.

[Person Man]

My Aunt is a physician at a Children's Hospital in San Diego, and this is her argument for Universal Health Care:
-There are too many middlemen in health care, such as insurance providers, which actually makes it more expensive and more of a hassle

So lets add another middle man.  The biggest middle man in history.  The US Govt.

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Agreed.

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BS.  If it's life threatening they have to fix them.  It's in their oath.

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If it's a life threatening emergency EVERYBODY in the US (no matter how they got there) get's life saving aid.  (please no anecdote's where people were turned away and later died or whatever.  sh**t happens and it would still happen if we switched to Socialized health care.)

So basically, if we switched to universal health care nothing would change in regards to illegals crossing the border for care.  They'd still get it if they were dying (just like they do now), maybe the group of people on the hook for the missing money would change from the hospital that it took place in (and all the people that go to that hospital and pay for it) to the entire nation of taxpayers.  YEAH!   It is not the job of the US taxpayer to pay for the emergency medical care of any and everybody in the world that can somehow make it into one of our hospitals.

Now everybody get in line and tell me what a horribly selfish person I am.

Yeah, its not their job, but its still happening regardless. I'd rather have the government pay individual doctors than emergency rooms and you can't have heroic doctors go unpaid when they have to save someone. That being said there IS room for free trade in a medical infrastructure. People should still be able to choose their doctor and people who can afford their own insurance should feel free to have it.

[ottermax]

Many of the children that come to my Aunt's hospital are not in dire emergency, but they need help. Maybe they have cancer or are suspected of having some other disease, but its unknown. If they can't pay upfront they technically arent' suppposed to get service. However good doctors will do the service for free, but they need to be paid. I don't see how the government is a middleman. It really simplifies the process. You pay your taxes, then you can just go to the hospital if you need to. We don't have to have full out universal health care, but it is understandable that doctors support it.