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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Robert Kennedy/George Meany v.s. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew on: April 18, 2013, 04:07:50 pm
Humphrey decides to not run. Johnson does not leave the race. Kennedy beats Johnson by 251 delegate votes at the Convention. Kennedy is nominated on the second ballot. He picks Meany to appease the Texas Delegation and the Conservative wing of the party.  The race is mainly between Johnson, Kennedy, and McCarthy.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Robert Kennedy/George Meany v.s. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew on: April 18, 2013, 03:20:11 pm
Maps please.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Robert Kennedy/George Meany v.s. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew on: April 18, 2013, 03:19:33 pm
Robert Kennedy is not assassinated. Sirhan Sirhan is shot down by LAPD police officers while waving a gun at Kennedy during a Kennedy rally. Robert Kennedy chooses conservative George Meany, head of the labor union AFL-CIO as his running mate. Kennedy and Meany call for party unity. Pres. Johnson, Vice-Pres. Humphrey, Gov. Connally, and Mayor Daley all endorse the Democratic ticket, universally due to the presence of Meany on the ticket. Wallace withdraws from the race and endorses Kennedy on Labor Day weekend, and LeMay endorses Nixon.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Gore/Miller v.s. Bush/Cheney. on: April 17, 2013, 09:26:34 pm
true, but you would not have all the voter fraud nonsense. gore was a good senator but by the early 2000's he was too out there, but i would have voted for gore/miller.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Gore/Miller v.s. Bush/Cheney. on: April 17, 2013, 09:21:45 pm
Maps please.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Gore/Miller v.s. Bush/Cheney. on: April 17, 2013, 09:17:06 pm
More or less, Miller saves Gore's bacon.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Gore/Miller v.s. Bush/Cheney. on: April 17, 2013, 09:15:05 pm
All maps are welcome and would be appreciated.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Gore/Miller v.s. Bush/Cheney. on: April 17, 2013, 09:14:02 pm
At the behest of Pres. Clinton, Paul Begala, and James Carville, Al Gore chooses Sen. Zell Miller of Georgia as his running mate. Remember in real life Miller voted for Gore and contributed money to his campaign.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Kennedy/Reagan v.s. Nixon/Lodge. on: January 12, 2013, 10:39:59 pm
http://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/genusmap.php?year=1960&pv_p=1&ev_p=1&type=calc&AL=1;11;5&AK=1;3;5&AZ=2;4;5&AR=1;8;5&CA=1;32;5&CO=2;6;5&CT=1;8;5&DE=1;3;5&FL=1;10;5&GA=1;12;6&HI=1;3;5&ID=2;4;5&IL=1;27;5&IN=2;13;5&IA=2;10;5&KS=2;8;5&KY=1;10;5&LA=1;10;5&ME=2;5;5&MD=1;9;5&MA=1;16;6&MI=1;20;5&MN=1;11;5&MS=1;8;5&MO=1;13;5&MT=1;4;5&NE=2;6;5&NV=1;3;5&NH=2;4;5&NJ=1;16;5&NM=1;4;5&NY=1;45;5&NC=1;14;5&ND=2;4;5&OH=1;25;5&OK=2;8;5&OR=1;6;5&PA=1;32;5&RI=1;4;6&SC=1;8;5&SD=2;4;5&TN=1;11;5&TX=1;24;5&UT=2;4;5&VT=2;3;5&VA=2;12;5&WA=1;9;5&WV=1;8;5&WI=2;12;5&WY=2;3;5[/img]]
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Kennedy/Reagan v.s. Nixon/Lodge. on: January 12, 2013, 10:32:20 pm
Maps Anyone. I will post mine.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: January 12, 2013, 10:30:34 pm
http://uselectionatlas.org/TOOLS/genusmap.php?year=1968&pv_p=1&ev_p=1&type=calc&AL=2;10;6&AK=1;3;5&AZ=2;5;5&AR=2;6;4&CA=2;40;5&CO=2;6;5&CT=1;8;5&DE=1;3;5&DC=1;3;8&FL=2;14;5&GA=2;12;5&HI=1;4;5&ID=2;4;5&IL=1;26;5&IN=2;13;5&IA=2;9;5&KS=2;7;6&KY=1;9;5&LA=2;10;5&ME=2;4;5&MD=1;10;5&MA=1;14;6&MI=1;21;5&MN=1;10;5&MS=2;7;6&MO=1;12;5&MT=2;4;5&NE=2;5;6&NV=2;3;5&NH=2;4;5&NJ=1;17;5&NM=2;4;5&NY=1;43;5&NC=2;13;5&ND=2;4;5&OH=1;26;5&OK=2;8;5&OR=2;6;5&PA=1;29;5&RI=1;4;6&SC=2;8;5&SD=2;4;5&TN=2;11;5&TX=1;25;5&UT=2;4;5&VT=2;3;5&VA=2;12;5&WA=1;9;5&WV=1;7;5&WI=2;12;4&WY=2;3;5[/img]]
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: December 29, 2012, 09:13:05 pm
Anyone with maps please. maps would be interesting and appreciated.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: December 29, 2012, 09:11:45 pm
Johnson wins his home state of Texas. The Democratic ticket also wins Alaska, Hawaii, D.C., Delaware, Connecticut, Illinois, Kentucky, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesotta, Michigan, West Virginia, Washington, again Texas, Rhoe Island, Pennsylvania, Ohio, New York, New Jersey, and Missouri. The Democrats win 280 Electoral Votes.
Nixon wins his home state of California. The Republican ticket also Oregon, Montana, New Mexico, Nevada, Colorado, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Wisconsin, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Tennessee, Indiana, again California, Maine, New Hampshire, and Vermont. The Republicans win 258 Electoral Votes.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: December 29, 2012, 09:02:20 pm
Breaking News: Pres. Johnson beats Fmr. Vice-Pres. Nixon by one of the narrowest of margins in U.S. Presidential History. Johnson/Kennedy wins 280 Electoral Votes, and Nixon/Agnew wins 258 Electoral Votes.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: December 28, 2012, 10:07:23 am
At his acceptance speech Bobby Kennedy gives a very solemn, piercing, and some would say angry speech. Him and Ethel are still wearing their red paint stained clothes on as Vice-Pres Kennedy speaks. "In 1963, my late brother Pres.Kennedy was covered in red by the bullets of an assassin, and tonight my wife and I were attacked with red paint by a monstrous and unruly crowd. Before taking this office, I believed after we withdrew from Vietnam that all this madness and war at home would stop in its tracks. God how wrong I was! We have ended the war in Vietnam, and now we must stop the war at home with full energy. Tonight I stand more firmly behind Pres. Johnson than I ever have before. Richard Nixon said I'm a slap in the face to my brother's memory and he is completely wrong, and on the first Tuesday in November we are going to give Mr. Nixon a slap in the face he will never forget the size of Florida.
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: December 27, 2012, 06:47:20 pm
Pres. Johnson speaks in praise of all the military forces that previously returned home from harms way in Vietnam during the last few months. He proclaims that we are closer to racial equality and social justice in America than we ever have been. He affirms with the help of the new President the Democratic Party is just as strong and united as it was in 1960 and 1964.
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: December 27, 2012, 06:42:40 pm
At the Democratic National Convention. As in real life there are large demonstrations and violence. Pres. Johnson is hit in the face with a rock. He sustains a small slash across his cheek and a black eye. Many Yippies scream at Vice-President Kennedy call him a traitor, an Uncle Tom, a liar, and a disgrace to Pres. Kennedy's memory and legacy. Robert and Ethel also have red paint thrown on them.
Gov. Connally renominates Pres. Johnson and Sen. Edward Kennedy renominates his older brother. They are both nominated on the second ballot.
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: December 27, 2012, 06:33:46 pm
At the the Republican National Convention, Nixon is nominated on the first ballot and chooses Gov. Agnew of Maryland as his running-mate.
Nixon attacks both the President and Vice-President on endless fronts. Nixon accuses Johnson of cut and running on Vietnam, that he is way too soft on crime, that the Vice-President is giving a slap in the face to the memory of his brother Pres. John Kennedy, that Johnson only ended the war to gain political leverage, that he only choosed Bobby Kennedy as his running mate so he would no longer interfere with Johnson's endless thirst for power.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: December 27, 2012, 06:27:39 pm
Breaking News: George Wallace withdraws his candidacy and endorses the Republican Ticket.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: December 27, 2012, 06:23:04 pm
The best is yet to come.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: December 27, 2012, 01:34:12 pm
Pres. Johnson initiates Operation Homecoming at the White House where himself and his Cabinet wil receive all returning soldiers from Vietnam and their families. A special Texas Barbecue lunch will be served.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: December 27, 2012, 01:30:49 pm
Breaking News: The last of the remaining Military Forces and P.O.W.S. will be returned to the United States. All will be received by their friends and families at the Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas on today 07/18/68.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: December 26, 2012, 09:43:52 pm
06/05/68
Robert Kennedy is sworn in as the new Vice-President of the United States. That night the new Democratic Ticket of Johnson and Kennedy wins by a landslide in the California Primary. McCarty withdraws from the Presidential Race the next morning, and endorses Johnson.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: December 26, 2012, 09:39:26 pm
04/02/68
Pres. Johnson and Gov. Connally meet with Sen. Robert Kennedy and Sen. Edward Kennedy about the prospect of one the Kennedy Brothers taking the newly available  V.P. Spot. Johnson does not want Robert Kennedy to enter the primaries because Johnson is still running. Considering Edward's youth and inexperience Johnson reluctantly and nervously offers Robert Kennedy the post of Vice-President. Robert is reconsidering entering the 1968 race because of the cease-fire and because all troops will returning home by the beginning of July. Robert Kennedy bitterly accepts Johnson's offer because Johnson promises to give him complete power over all domestic policy and that an All-Volunteer Army policy will be initiated, and Selective Service will be disbanded by the end of 1970. Connally and the Texas Delegation promise Kennedy their full and complete support for his Presidential Campaign in 1972, as does L.B.J.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: Lyndon Johnson/Robert Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew. on: December 26, 2012, 12:53:16 pm
Breaking News:Vice President Humphrey Resigns from him position. Humphrey announces that one month ago he was diagnosed with cancer, and that he will be leaving to seek long term treatment at the Mayo Clinic. He will attending be attending the Democratic Convention in Chicago.
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