Speech from Senator Nation

[Nation]

A speech from Nyman D.C. ( ) where Senator Kevin D. Nation is present:



My fellow Atlasians, I don't like to make these kinds of speeches, but I'm afraid I must.

As of late, I hold nothing but disgust for certain fellow Senators who I will not mention, that have, obviously and sometimes in a more subtle fashion, verbally expressed their disapproval of the UAC,
usually with strong language.

They will refuse to support anyone in the UAC, they will lash out against the party for no real reason -- they call us a joke, yet they fail to realize we hold three senate seats and a presidency that the voters elected -- that hardly sounds like a joke to me.

One of the main reasons the UAC was formed was because of the comments coming from the two major parties at the time -- the extremeist tendencies in some of their leaders -- these comments coming today, their speakers fail to realize that the majority of Atlasia is not as extreme as they are.

I made a promise to the voters of District 1 to represent them well, and part of that involves civil conversing with fellow Senators, but how am I to do that when those Senators and other important figures in Atlasia politics hold nothing but unjustified contempt for my entire party?

This is not a call for complete unity -- questioning and disagreement is necessary for things to get done properly, but it is a call for senseless attacks against my party to stop, especially coming from respectable (or so I thought) Senators who may have even received said party's endorsement.

Thank you.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

Amen, Kev!

[platypeanArchcow]

I'm not sure what "discontempt" is, but any party that is judged to be too powerful will be held in contempt by many, especially when it is seen as held together by partisanship rather than by any common ideology.  The UAC may have been founded as a centrist organization, but since many further on the right and left wings had joined it, it became a bloc that seemed to be self-contradicting.  Now that several have left or are considering leaving for the AFIP, I believe the UAC has come to represent a narrower set of ideologies ranging from center to center-right, with maybe only a couple right-wing members.  Some will perhaps continue attacking the UAC, but I think it has now been pared down to manageability.  Even so, expect parties on the right and left to ally against what is perceived to be the most powerful party.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

The UAC was a lightning rod for the haters around here long before the controversial members joined.

[The Dowager Mod]

Name names.

[StevenNick]

I agree with Texasgurl.  Rather than make dubious allegations against anonymous senators, I would appreciate it if you got specific.  Name names, Senator.

[Josh/Devilman88]

A speech from Nyman D.C. ( ) where Senator Kevin D. Nation is present:



My fellow Atlasians, I don't like to make these kinds of speeches, but I'm afraid I must.

As of late, I hold nothing but disgust for certain fellow Senators who I will not mention, that have, obviously and sometimes in a more subtle fashion, verbally expressed their disapproval of the UAC,
usually with strong language.

They will refuse to support anyone in the UAC, they will lash out against the party for no real reason -- they call us a joke, yet they fail to realize we hold three senate seats and a presidency that the voters elected -- that hardly sounds like a joke to me.

One of the main reasons the UAC was formed was because of the comments coming from the two major parties at the time -- the extremeist tendencies in some of their leaders -- these comments coming today, their speakers fail to realize that the majority of Atlasia is not as extreme as they are.

I made a promise to the voters of District 1 to represent them well, and part of that involves civil conversing with fellow Senators, but how am I to do that when those Senators and other important figures in Atlasia politics hold nothing but unjustified contempt for my entire party?

This is not a call for complete unity -- questioning and disagreement is necessary for things to get done properly, but it is a call for senseless attacks against my party to stop, especially coming from respectable (or so I thought) Senators who may have even received said party's endorsement.

Thank you.

hmm who cares? We know people don't like the UAC, and we know they won't vote for anyone who is a UACer. Maybe that is why they got elected.....

[© tweed]

I third the requests of Senators StevenNick and TexasGurl for Mr. Nation to name names.

[StevenNick]

I must admit that I've been somewhat disturbed by Senator Nation's comments as well as the actions of the UAC in general over the last few days.

I was greatly offended at the way the UAC targeted Harry's position as President Pro Tempore of the Senate.  Harry's disposition so close to the election displays the hubris of many of the members of the UAC.  To quote Senator Nation, "They call us a joke, but they fail to realize we hold three senate seats and a presidency that the voters elected--that hardly sounds like a joke to me."

I would like to remind Senator Nation that the UAC has no more claim to the position of President Pro Tempore of the Senate--nor of any other leadership position--than any other party on the forum.  Need I remind him that the republicans also hold three seats in the Senate?  The AIP is now nipping at the UAC's heels.  It seems to me that many members of the UAC--particularly those in the senate--are trying to have it both ways.  They insist that their party has not hijacked forum politics, yet implicit in the above speech is the kind of victim mentality that suggests the speaker believes that the UAC has some kind of inherent right to the leadership of the forum due to its popularity.

I have therefore undertaken the business of creating a senate majority.  Actually, I believe I have already created a senate majority.  I plan on reminding everyone on the forum that nothing can be accomplished without cooperation across party lines.  No party has the right to hegemony in forum politics.

Respectfully,

Senator StevenNick

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

You're just trying to put a nice face on your effort to drown centrism in favor of your brand of extremism.

[StevenNick]

You're just trying to put a nice face on your effort to drown centrism in favor of your brand of extremism.

Blah, blah, blah.

[The Duke]

Name names.

I agree with Texasgurl.  Rather than make dubious allegations against anonymous senators, I would appreciate it if you got specific.  Name names, Senator.

I third the requests of Senators StevenNick and TexasGurl for Mr. Nation to name names.

It was the demand to name names that pushed McCarthy to produce the names of innocent people and ruin their lives.  People just couldn't accept vague accusations, (that later proved true) they demanded unnecessary specifics.

I believe it is better for the Senator to make his point without making it a personal one.  Those in question already know who they are.

[Nation]

Thank you, Mr. Ford. Those in question know perfectly well who they are.

[Nation]

I must admit that I've been somewhat disturbed by Senator Nation's comments as well as the actions of the UAC in general over the last few days.

I was greatly offended at the way the UAC targeted Harry's position as President Pro Tempore of the Senate.  Harry's disposition so close to the election displays the hubris of many of the members of the UAC.  To quote Senator Nation, "They call us a joke, but they fail to realize we hold three senate seats and a presidency that the voters elected--that hardly sounds like a joke to me."

I would like to remind Senator Nation that the UAC has no more claim to the position of President Pro Tempore of the Senate--nor of any other leadership position--than any other party on the forum.  Need I remind him that the republicans also hold three seats in the Senate?  The AIP is now nipping at the UAC's heels.  It seems to me that many members of the UAC--particularly those in the senate--are trying to have it both ways.  They insist that their party has not hijacked forum politics, yet implicit in the above speech is the kind of victim mentality that suggests the speaker believes that the UAC has some kind of inherent right to the leadership of the forum due to its popularity.

I have therefore undertaken the business of creating a senate majority.  Actually, I believe I have already created a senate majority.  I plan on reminding everyone on the forum that nothing can be accomplished without cooperation across party lines.  No party has the right to hegemony in forum politics.

Respectfully,

Senator StevenNick

Inherit right to the speakership? Where have we hijacked forum politics? By democratically wishing to change the PPT?

If you think this is about political power, Mr. Nicks, then you missed the entire point of the speech.

[JohnFKennedy]

I must admit that I've been somewhat disturbed by Senator Nation's comments as well as the actions of the UAC in general over the last few days.

I was greatly offended at the way the UAC targeted Harry's position as President Pro Tempore of the Senate.  Harry's disposition so close to the election displays the hubris of many of the members of the UAC.  To quote Senator Nation, "They call us a joke, but they fail to realize we hold three senate seats and a presidency that the voters elected--that hardly sounds like a joke to me."

I would like to remind Senator Nation that the UAC has no more claim to the position of President Pro Tempore of the Senate--nor of any other leadership position--than any other party on the forum.  Need I remind him that the republicans also hold three seats in the Senate?  The AIP is now nipping at the UAC's heels.  It seems to me that many members of the UAC--particularly those in the senate--are trying to have it both ways.  They insist that their party has not hijacked forum politics, yet implicit in the above speech is the kind of victim mentality that suggests the speaker believes that the UAC has some kind of inherent right to the leadership of the forum due to its popularity.

I have therefore undertaken the business of creating a senate majority.  Actually, I believe I have already created a senate majority.  I plan on reminding everyone on the forum that nothing can be accomplished without cooperation across party lines.  No party has the right to hegemony in forum politics.

Respectfully,

Senator StevenNick

Firstly, what do you mean we "targeted" Harry, I merely challenged him to a PPT election because we had just held another Senate Election, I never mentioned the fact that the UAC were the majority (although they don't really hold a majority) party.

I wasn't the one who raised the issue in the first place, I believe texasgurl asked if we were to elect a new PPT so I announced my candidacy.

I would have thought that at the moment the UAC holds more claim to the Presidency (of the forum that is) as a UAC member was just elected to that position although the AFIP also holds claim as they have the current President. No party holds a monopoly on the office though and I, nor have any of my fellow members, ever infered that we do as far as I know.

I don't think Nation was implying we have some kind of right to hold every position on the forum because clearly we do not, I think his point was that he is fed up with people insulting us for no reason other than they think we are too powerful or dislike us. It is not right and Mr. Fresh, a Republican whom I hold in high esteem, possibly the most esteem on the fantasy forums has deplored the actions of some on this and I salute him for it.

Also, I believe the Republicans only hold two Senate seats, not three as I believe StatesRights is a member of the States Rights Party, not the Republican Party and it may only be one, I am not sure but was it not mentioned before by Hughento that the party you represent in the Senate is the one you were elected from and, Tweed, elected as a Democrat, would therefore be a Democrat. That could be wrong, it is something Hughento once said I believe.

I have never claimed that our party does hold hegemony or has the right to hegemony over these forums, nor will I ever as I don't believe that and I would appreciate it if you would not insinuate it please.