Israel-Gaza war

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Isreali National Security Minister Ben Gvir involved in a serious car accident when his car flipped over.

I'll be so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so sad if he leaves us.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Shows a good deal of journalistic credibility from Goodman through the years. She has been reporting stories that have been neglected by the corporate media conglomates who would rather distract audiences with trivial nonsense and sensationalism. She is a gold mine in the field of American journalism.

Agreed thank goodness she didn’t have a history of covering a different genocidal war by giving platforms to kooks to victim blame the oppressed side with no push back or it would make alot of this stuff she does on Palestine seem shallow

Democracy Now gives voices calling for peace, love, and understanding. They have a consistent record that backs up their reporting while the corporate media bangs the drums for war around the world. Look at CNN and their disgraceful coverage of the genocide in Gaza. All CNN does is parrot to the lies coming out of the Jerusalem bearu. With the coverage of Democracy Now you will br hearing the platform for voice of the voiceless.

If they were truly for peace, love and understanding they wouldn't be so disgustingly anti Ukraine.
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On what basis are you calling them anti-Ukraine?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

You guys truly do not need to quote the entire reply stack every time you respond to this conversation that at this point is at best only tangentially related to the thread.

How many times has Amy Goodman's Wikipedia page now been copy+pasted into this thread?  A dozen?

Edited.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Maybe if the Israelis acknowledged some kind of right to return then the Palestinians and Arabs wouldn't be so opposed to any kind of "temporary" displacement.

A good number of refugees never go back even when their previous country becomes safe. They've settled in their new country and put down roots.

Or it never becomes safe in their lifetime.

The problem here isn't that the Palestinians don't want to return, it's that they can't return.

Again, this is not a principled stand in favour of the dignity of the Palestinian people, it's Egypt not wanting to handle a bunch of refugees. The level of doublethink needed to believe that the Palestinians are currently victims of a genocide but also it would be morally wrong for their neighbour to take even a single refugee is staggering

The actual doublethink here is coming from the people who can't recognize the blatant injustice of someone from Milwaukee with zero connection to the land holding a permanent "right to return" to Israel when the actual recent inhabitants can never return. It's like if the Navajos had no rights or citizenship, were periodically bombed and then when anyone calls it out they go "why don't those damn Mexicans take them!"

Maybe if the Israelis acknowledged some kind of right to return then the Palestinians and Arabs wouldn't be so opposed to any kind of "temporary" displacement.

They can return to any part of the West Bank/Gaza as part of a negotiated settlement. Israel is not going to allow millions of the great-grandchildren of refugees into Israel. Anyone who pushes for this or for the idea that Israel does not have to dismantle settlements 25 miles inside the West Bank is just proposing a poison pill that gets things nowhere.

Putting aside the question of returning to pre-48 territory, it isn't remotely clear that they can return to "any part of West Bank/Gaza" at all. The precedent the Israelis have set after every war is that they have an unlimited right to establish settlements wherever they want from which they can exclude whoever happened to live there prior with zero repercussions. Even now they've occupied a corridor in northern Gaza from which they've repeatedly shot civilians attempting to return to their homes. If there weren't a few hundred thousand Gazans still in the north it's not hard to imagine some of those freaks currently blocking food aid managing to miraculously "sneak past" the IDF to establish new settlements in the rubble.

Anyway, the idea that there's going to be any kind of negotiated settlement regardless of "poison pills" seems far fetched. Neither side has any incentive. This war is the only thing keeping Netanyahu out of jail and even if he were to be removed there's zero political appetite for compromise from the Israeli public. At the same time, Hamas is politically stronger than ever and if the Israelis continue down their current path they'll become a pariah state and burn through all the advantages that let them dominate the Palestinians in the first place.

This is exactly the line of you leftist thugs. “Why bother even negotiating a two state solution when you know it’s impossible.” Most Israelis and Americans aren’t stupid. It’s your wet dream of eliminating the state of Israel. Spare us the bs going forward.

Bold to assume that only alleged "leftist thugs" (MBD is a leftist now?) think the two-state solution is impossible.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

The first international declaration that a Holocaust was occurring was made by the United Nations on December 17 1942. What the Allies could 'do' was very much tied in with the overall military response to the conflict.

They could’ve bombed the railways.  They didn’t because, to put it bluntly, they couldn’t care less about dead Jews.

The Allies had other issues on their mind. They probably thought they were labour camps. Even with reports of mass killings, I doubt whether the Allies believed Auschwitz was killing ~1,500 Jews per day, mostly Hungarian and Polish.

A facility near Auschwitz was bombed, but only because the Allies thought it was making military equipment, which suggests their priority was to decrease Germany's weapons making capability.

Another example, the Russians who liberated Auschwitz knew nothing:

https://www.history.com/news/auschwitz-liberation-soviets-holocaust

I prefer not to backseat drive the decisions that led to the defeat of the Axis.
The idea there was this set of obvious fix we could have done here or there and if our ancestors had done this allegedly obviously available course of action, then it would have been better, is very silly.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

There is indeed an ugly dehumanization of Palestinian people from some segments of the human race during this war.
Introspection is something not too many like to do.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1795658027690872881?t=aeviz9CrP5xiSUMKr-r...
That indy number is just brutal, especially considering that this question doesn't ask about approval of the war or the Netanyahu gov, but of Israel itself.

1) The way that poll is asking the question, most will probably interpret it as approval of Israel's conduct.
2) Don't trust anything from McLaughlin.

Fair on number 1, but why do you view McLaughlin as untrustworthy?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Of course if something like this happened, it took place in Hamtramck.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

This almost made me throw up. JFC.

https://twitter.com/equalityAlec/status/1798815756332720382?t=IPJzi2hGSDIY9YcQ_v...

It’s from an UNWRA report. Sorry if I believe they might tell a lie or 10.

Because, famously, the Israelis have never lied before, right?

They're totally paragons of truth and honesty, right?

Compared to UNRWA?  Yeah, although admittedly that’s the definition of a low bar.

UNRWA at least succeeds mostly at its job. God bless them, many more Gazans would have died of starvation if not for them.
Meanwhile the Israeli govt's heavy-handedness and neglect for the needs of Palestinians makes it the number one recruiter for Hamas there is.