NY: Convicted Felon Donald Trump!

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oh FFS this is getting ridiculous. just wrap this crap up already. i guess this is our own fault for getting our hopes up there would be something this week because of trump's now clear lie, but come on. every single time there is some development in any of the 3 Trump cases, it's literally just another thing to prolong them.

https://twitter.com/ZcohenCNN/status/1638903261540552705

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Just as an aside, it's funny to see the GOP go insane acting if the DA himself and "Democrats" were the ones who personally indicted Trump. Uh, do they not know the system works? The DA brought the case against Trump and the *grand jury* were the ones who saw the evidence and thought it was good enough to vote to indict. The DA had nothing to do with indicting Trump himself, other than bringing a case he thought was valid to a jury. The jury could've easily voted not to indict if they didn't think it was credible.

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On an additional note, the fact an indictment potentially helps Trump to lock up the nomination - assuming that's the case - would just be testimony how depraved the Republican Party and a majority of their base are. Because apparently these people are completely unable to realize Trump is a corrupt. You may like his policies or not, the fact this doesn't finish his political ambition shows how deep a self-proclaimed "law and order" has sunk. But well, we've passed this point a very long, long time ago. It goes even so far that they downplay and deny a literal coup attempt. It speaks volumes for anyone who's paying attention.

It's also ironic that the same people have been emphatic that Hillary Clinton is corrupt and should be locked up since 2016, yet when Trump breaks the law, it's a "witch hunt" and "totally innocent!" ....

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I know it’s unconventional thinking but I don’t see this helping Trump’s campaign.

Sure, the cult will stick with him but swingy voters will abandon him even more. Maybe he wins the primary but this kills his chances in the general.

I hope I’m right anyway.

I mean I think the convention wisdom here is that its good for his primary campaign, b/c it will rally the crazies around him but it's definitely toxic for the GE.

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DOJ reportedly 'irritated' by Manhattan DA's decision to indict Trump because they believe hush money charges are weak and could damage more serious Georgia electoral fraud and January 6 probes'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11922971/Justice-Department-irritated-Manhattan-DAs-indictment-Donald-Trump.html

Yeah, that sounds like a bunch of BS. Each case has no bearing on the other, and whether or not one case is stronger than another doesn't affect anything. The Georgia and 1/6 probes are their own things, they will proceed with or without an indictment on this issue.

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DOJ reportedly 'irritated' by Manhattan DA's decision to indict Trump because they believe hush money charges are weak and could damage more serious Georgia electoral fraud and January 6 probes'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11922971/Justice-Department-irritated-Manhattan-DAs-indictment-Donald-Trump.html

Yeah, that sounds like a bunch of BS. Each case has no bearing on the other, and whether or not one case is stronger than another doesn't affect anything. The Georgia and 1/6 probes are their own things, they will proceed with or without an indictment on this issue.

 
 What is the DOJ waiting for then?

Building their case maybe? I would assume they want to make sure all of their checks and balances are correct before they go ahead with it.

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Why is this redban person suddenly everywhere on this forum. Yuck.

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No mugshot makes this entire thing not worth it. Wtf.

Yeah, I mean obviously I want to selfishly see it but also this is kind of ridiculous in the sense that he is still being treated above the law. A normal person who did what he did would have to do go through all of the normal proceedings. He shouldn't be able to get out of any of them, objectively, just because of his status.

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"The precedent this opens up is gonna ruin American politics for a while to come"

So the precedent is... politicians should be held accountable when they commit crimes? I mean this talking point is frankly ridiculous. Even more so when Republicans go on and on about crime and especially here in Philly - where our DA is regularly lambasted for "not holding criminals accountable" and then you have a full throated defense of Trump who committed a crime who apparently should... not be held accountable. So disastrously hypocritical.

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CNN also mentioned that the statue of limitation for crimes in New York was essentially paused for one year during the pandemic by Cuomo, so that may have something to do with it as well.

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"The precedent this opens up is gonna ruin American politics for a while to come"

So the precedent is... politicians should be held accountable when they commit crimes? I mean this talking point is frankly ridiculous. Even more so when Republicans go on and on about crime and especially here in Philly - where our DA is regularly lambasted for "not holding criminals accountable" and then you have a full throated defense of Trump who committed a crime who apparently should... not be held accountable. So disastrously hypocritical.

The precedent established is that politicians can be prosecuted for political reasons by politicians of the opposite party regardless of the evidence, because:

1. In N.Y. the D.A. can indict anyone by simple majority of a Grand Jury without necessary presenting evidence.

2. The office of the D.A. is an elected office, therefore the D.A. is a politician in practice.

Welcome to the Can opening, now lets see the Worms.

Except there was evidence. And Trump committed a crime. Not sure why this is hard!

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He literally admitted to doing the crime he's being accused of .... on tape

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1667143018875420674

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Ugh, of Trump's 4 criminal trials this one is by far the weakest both in actual court and in the court of public opinion

Then I'd rather it go first then. The closer we get to the election, the more stronger the cases imo.

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Why can the Georgia trial start no earlier than September?

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Now this trial is likely to be delayed 30 days because of 'new evidence', outside of anything with the immunity? It's like FFS, can just ONE of these trials start at this point?!

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https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1769833341707026830

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I don't see why people view this case as not bad for Trump? Seems pretty likely he'd be found guilty here.

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April trial is back on, boys

https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1770827278500446338

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"Trump's attorney Todd Blanche asks to file a motion today to delay the trial because of pretrial publicity."

Oh my god these people just never stop. It's never ending, enough with the theatrics and the delays. Thankfully it sounds like the judge is done with the nonsense and going full steam ahead.

Thankfully at least one of the trials will definitely happen before the election now.

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It's very refreshing to see a judge put up with none of Trump and his team's nonsense.

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It's very refreshing to see a judge put up with none of Trump and his team's nonsense.

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Wild that Trump will be in a courtroom for 6-8 weeks, unable to campaign pretty much at all. Actions have consequences

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Whatever it is, it is not election interference, because the election was over by the time Trump falsified his business records.

It doesn't matter. The payoff and silencing occurred before the election, when it could have made a difference in the election, and he presumably was planning at that time to later cover it up by falsifying his business records. It's an election interference case.

Bingo, not sure how that is not election interference. Trump's sole purpose in doing all of that was so that it would not come out before the election.

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Ignoring the gag order once again.

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1773454910941512133

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Wait, so the gag order didn't even include the judge or his daughter? What's the point then?