Diplomacy Dreams

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Um, it’s the Italian army in Venice that was dislodged. The army in Rome is Turkish and not dislodged.

Listen, you didn't see that, nobody saw that, nobody typed it.

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Do I need to say I'm disbanding the fleet?

Because I am, obviously.

Been a pleasure, gents.

There's still a chance for a total Russian victory!

It has been an honour, hope to see you in future games.

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Do I need to say I'm disbanding the fleet?

Because I am, obviously.

Been a pleasure, gents.

Old saying: sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.

Sometimes there's a man, well he's the man for the time. He fits right in.

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Order Results:
   
Austria:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.
     
France:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.
     
Germany:
Supply centers were lost. Units that must be removed: 1.
     
Russia:
Russia: F Stp (SC) D
     
Turkey:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.
     
We are now in the Fall 1905 BUILD Phase. Orders for builds/disbands are due by 10:00 PM EST / 2:00 AM UTC on Sunday, April 7th.

Please forgive the tardiness, I had a car issue that kept me away from home longer than I had planned to be gone.

[themaninthejinnahcap]

3/4 orders received with a little under 3 hours until the deadline!

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Order Results:
   
Austria:
Austria: B A Bud
     
France:
France: B A Par
     
Germany:
Germany: R A Tyr
       
Russia:
Russia no longer controls any supply centers, and has been eliminated.
     
Turkey:
Turkey: B A Con

This brings us to the Spring 1906 MOVE Phase. Orders must be submitted by 10:00 PM EST / 2:00 AM UTC on Tuesday, April 9th.

Thanks for playing with us, Mikado. I hope to see you return!

[themaninthejinnahcap]

3/6 orders received with a little over 2 hours until the deadline!

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Order Results:
 
Austria:
Austria: A Boh S A Vie - Tyr
Austria: A Bud - Vie
Austria: F Nap S F Tys
Austria: A Sil H
Austria: A Stp - Mos / Bounced with Mos (1 against 1).
Austria: A Tri S A Vie - Tyr
Austria: A Ven S A Apu - Rom
Austria: A Vie - Tyr
Austria: A War S A Sil
   
England:
England: F Edi H
   
France:
France: F Cly - Edi / Bounced with Edi (1 against 1).
France: F Eng - Lon
France: F Lyo - Tys / Bounced with Tys (1 against 2).
France: A Hol S A Ruh - Kie
France: A Par - Bur
France: A Pie - Mar
France: A Ruh - Kie / Failed.
France: A Tus - Pie
France: F Wes S F Tun
   
Germany:
Germany: F Bal C A Swe - Kie
Germany: A Ber S A Swe - Kie
Germany: F Den - Nth
Germany: A Mun S A Swe - Kie
Germany: F Nwg S F Den - Nth
Germany: A Swe - Kie / Convoy path taken: Swe;Bal;Kie.
     
Italy:
Italy: F Tun H
   
 
Turkey:
Turkey: F Adr S A Ven
Turkey: F Aeg H
Turkey: A Apu - Rom / Failed; self-dislodgement prohibited.
Turkey: A Con - Bul
Turkey: F Ion S A Rom - Tun
Turkey: A Mos - Stp / Bounced with Stp (1 against 1).
Turkey: A Rom - Tun / Bounced with Tun (2 against 2). Convoy path taken: Rom;Tys;Tun.
Turkey: F Tys C A Rom - Tun

With no dislodges, we are thus in the Fall 1906 MOVE Phase. Orders are due by 10:00 PM EST / 2:00 AM UTC on Thursday, April 11th.

[themaninthejinnahcap]

3/6 orders received with a little over 3 hours until the deadline!

[themaninthejinnahcap]

The grace period has activated as a player with no prior lates has missed the deadline. If no order is given by 10:30 EST /2:30 UTC it will be replaced with a HOLD and processed.

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Order Results:
   
Austria:
Austria: A Boh H
Austria: F Nap S F Ion - Tys
Austria: A Sil S A Ber - Mun
Austria: A Stp - Mos
Austria: A Tri S A Ven
Austria: A Tyr - Pie
Austria: A Ven S A Tyr - Pie
Austria: A Vie H
Austria: A War S A Stp - Mos
     
England:
England: F Edi H
     
France:
The Army in Piedmont cannot retreat; unit destroyed.
France: A Bur S A Ruh
France: F Cly - Edi / Bounced with Edi (1 against 2).
France: F Lyo - Tys / Bounced with Ion (1 against 1).
France: A Hol - Kie / Bounced with Kie (1 against 1). Dislodged from Nth (2 against 1).
France: F Lon - Nth
France: A Mar S A Pie / Support failed. Move orders must be supported explicitly.
France: A Pie - Tyr / Bounced with Tyr (1 against 1). Dislodged from Tyr (2 against 1).
France: A Ruh S A Hol - Kie / Support cut by Move from Munich.
France: F Wes S F Tun

Germany:
Germany: F Bal - Den
Germany: A Ber - Mun / Failed; self-dislodgement prohibited.
Germany: A Kie S F Nth - Hol
Germany: A Mun - Ruh / Bounced with Ruh (1 against 2).
Germany: F Nth - Hol
Germany: F Nwg S F Edi
     
Italy:
Italy: F Tun H
     
Turkey:
Turkey: F Adr - Ion
Turkey: F Aeg S F Adr - Ion
Turkey: A Apu H
Turkey: A Bul - Rum
Turkey: F Ion - Tys
Turkey: A Mos - Stp / Bounced with Stp (1 against 1). Dislodged from Stp (2 against 1).
Turkey: A Rom S F Tys - Tus
Turkey: F Tys - Tus
     
We are now in the Fall 1906 RETREAT Phase. Retreat/disband orders are due by 10:00 PM EST / 2:00 AM UTC on Friday, April 12th (EST)/Saturday, April 13th (UTC) for the following players:

France: A Hol
Turkey: A Mos

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Order Results

France:
France: A Hol - Bel

Turkey:
Turkey: A Mos - Sev

Germany had a build for the following BUILD Phase but he has no free centers and so it will be saved for a later turn. We are now in the Spring 1907 MOVE Phase. The deadline for orders is 10:00 PM EST / 2:00 AM UTC on Sunday, April 14th (EST)/Monday, April 15th (UTC).

My apologies for the late adjudication, I had a schedule mix-up and I am away from home but hopefully everyone is still around to see this post.

[themaninthejinnahcap]

I very much hate to do this but I would like to request a delay. My crappy laptop finally called it quits on me and I only have my cellphone to communicate until Monday. If everybody's okay with moving the deadline to Tuesday, it would be very much appreciated. Adequate technology is necessary for this game and right now I no longer have that.

I am sorry to hear that. I'll push the deadline back to Tuesday, April 16th.

[themaninthejinnahcap]

I very much hate to do this but I would like to request a delay. My crappy laptop finally called it quits on me and I only have my cellphone to communicate until Monday. If everybody's okay with moving the deadline to Tuesday, it would be very much appreciated. Adequate technology is necessary for this game and right now I no longer have that.

Well haven't you been using your cellphone to communicate previously on many occasions? 

Seriously, personally I have always felt the (48) hour move phase was too short, and likely has compounded and hampered the proper flow the game most significantly for those in time-zones outside of North America...

Not sure if this necessarily qualifies as an "Emergency Event" or not and/or a possible "Yellow Card" (European Football) scene.

Perhaps other players should weigh in and perhaps we move it to a (72) hour between moves with the (24) hours for retreat and disband/builds?

We currently have two players in the game in international time zones, who have most likely been severely impacted by the (48) hour rule.

Regardless, I understand Scott's conundrum and would be open to the rules being changed, but surely that should involve input from all game players before the GM unilaterally decides to make the decision without collective input?

The topic has been opened before and it doesn't seem like most wanted to chime in on it, so I didn't extend it further than 48 hours. I remain open to doing so if the players so wish, it's up to them to make it known if that's the case. Otherwise I'll assume they don't wish this change and I would rather not make that decision unilaterally in that event.

As for Scott's situation, it's urgent enough for a hiatus at the very least so I called one. I was talking to him earlier and either he has the texting prowess of a man who remembers the Kennedy administration or his phone is terribly inconvenient to use.

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Order Results:
   
Austria:
Austria: A Boh - Vie
Austria: A Mos - Stp
Austria: F Nap - Tys / Bounced with Lyo (1 against 1).
Austria: A Pie H
Austria: A Sil H
Austria: A Tri S A Ven
Austria: A Ven S A Pie
Austria: A Vie - Bud
Austria: A War - Mos
     
England:
England: F Edi H
     
France:
The Army in Ruhr cannot retreat; unit destroyed.
France: A Bel S F Nth - Hol
France: A Bur - Mun / Bounced with Ber (1 against 1).
France: F Cly - Nwg / Bounced with Nwg (1 against 1).
France: F Lyo - Tys / Bounced with Nap (2 against 1).
France: A Mar - Pie / Bounced with Pie (1 against 2).
France: F Nth - Hol / Bounced with Hol (2 against 1).
France: A Ruh - Kie / Bounced with Kie (1 against 1). Dislodged from Mun (2 against 1).
France: F Wes S F Lyo - Tys
     
Germany:
Germany: A Ber - Mun / Bounced with Bur (1 against 1).
Germany: F Den S F Hol - Nth
Germany: F Hol - Nth / Bounced with Nth (2 against 1).
Germany: A Kie S A Mun - Ruh
Germany: A Mun - Ruh
Germany: F Nwg S F Hol - Nth / Support cut by Move from Clyde.
       
Italy:
Italy: F Tun S F Lyo - Tys / Dislodged from Tys (2 against 1).
       
Turkey:
Turkey: F Aeg S F Ion
Turkey: A Apu S A Rom
Turkey: F Ion S F Tys - Tun
Turkey: A Rom S F Tus
Turkey: A Rum - Sev / Bounced with Sev (1 against 1).
Turkey: A Sev - Rum / Bounced with Rum (1 against 1).
Turkey: F Tus S F Nap - Tys
Turkey: F Tys - Tun

We are now in the Spring 1907 RETREAT Phase. The only order required this turn is from Kuumo, as his Fleet in Tunis has been dislodged. The deadline for this phase is 10:00 PM EST / 2:00 AM UTC on Wednesday, April 17th (EST)/Thursday, April 18th (UTC).

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Italy has retreated his Fleet to North Africa.

We are now in the Fall 1907 MOVE Phase. Orders are due by 10:00 PM EST / 2:00 AM UTC on Friday, April 19th (EST)/Saturday, April 20th (UTC).

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Order Results:
   
Austria:
Austria: A bud Holds
Austria: A mos Holds
Austria: F nap - tys
Austria: A pie Holds
Austria: A sil Supports A ber - mun
Austria: A stp - nwy / Bounced with nwg (1 against 1).
Austria: A tri Supports A ven
Austria: A ven Supports A pie
Austria: A vie Holds
     
England:
England: F edi Holds
     
France:
France: A bel Holds
France: A bur Supports A bel
France: F cly - edi / Bounced with edi (1 against 1).
France: F lyo Supports A mar - pie
France: A mar - pie / Bounced with pie (2 against 2).
France: F nth Supports A bel / Support cut by Move from Denmark.
France: F wes Supports F naf - tun
     
Germany:
Germany: A ber - mun
Germany: F den - nth / Bounced with nth (1 against 1).
Germany: F hol Supports A ruh - bel
Germany: A kie Supports F hol
Germany: F nwg - nwy / Bounced with stp (1 against 1).
Germany: A ruh - bel / Bounced with bel (2 against 2).
       
Italy:
Italy: F naf - tun / Bounced with tun (2 against 2).
       
Turkey:
Turkey: F aeg Supports F ion
Turkey: A apu Supports A rom
Turkey: F ion Supports F tun
Turkey: A rom Supports F tus
Turkey: A rum Holds
Turkey: A sev Holds
Turkey: F tun Supports F nap - tys / Support cut by Move from North Africa.
Turkey: F tus Supports F nap - tys

There are no dislodges and so the RETREAT Phase is bypassed entirely. We are now in the Fall 1907 BUILD Phase. The following must submit their orders by 10:00 PM EST / 2:00 AM UTC on Saturday, April 20th (EST)/Sunday, April 21st (UTC)

France:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.

Germany:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.

Italy:
Only one unit remains, the Fleet, which will be removed. Thank you for playing with us, Kuumo. I hope to see you again in the future!

Turkey:
Supply centers were gained. Units that may be built: 1.

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Aren’t retreat and build phases 24 hours, or did we change them to 48 as well?

Definitely 24 hours. You didn't see nothin'.

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Aren’t retreat and build phases 24 hours, or did we change them to 48 as well?

Definitely 24 hours. You didn't see nothin'.

Don't recall these were ever changed.

Sure players can change things with unanimous consent, and certainly the GM is allowed to make executive decisions in the event that rules are challenged.

Still, there are some questions regarding exactly which version of Diplomacy we are playing, since apparently there might have been a recent ruling (Which nobody protested at the time), which might have tilted the scales slightly.

Regardless, I suspect that I speak for all current players to know the exact Diplomacy rules we are playing under, so that we can potentially minimize mistaken orders on the basis of misunderstanding of the "rulebooks" versus people just making huge epic "Eff-Ups" because of not understanding the rules or major strategic mistakes.

Asking for a friend, so not just me....

I am not sure what you mean. I had Scott post links on the first page of the thread indicating the map and the rules, so new players wouldn't be lost. I expect that the players have either played Diplomacy or read that ruleset. I have asked for clarification from some players in regards to orders I think involve a typo, but I have not stepped in to question players as to whether they realize they are making an enormous strategic mistake. That would be highly improper for the GM to do in a game like this.

If you have something specific that you are confused by, please just ask. I have stated numerous times that I will answer such questions.

[themaninthejinnahcap]

No problem with asking questions in the thread, it might help others who have the same question!

You're very welcome for the adjudication. I like to see Diplomacy continuing in the world, especially in places where it was once played and needs a revival.

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Order Results:

France:
France: Builds F bre
     
Germany:
Germany: Waives build in ber
 
Italy:
Italy no longer controls any supply centers, and has been eliminated.
Italy: Removes F naf     
   
Turkey:
Turkey: Builds F con

A deadline and grace period were missed and so the Build was waived.

We are now in the Spring 1908 MOVE Phase. The deadline for orders is at 10:00 PM EST / 2:00 AM UTC on Monday, April 22nd (EST)/Tuesday, April 23rd (UTC).

[themaninthejinnahcap]

Adjudication is coming, have no fear!

[themaninthejinnahcap]

 
Order Results:
   
Austria:
Austria: A bud - tri
Austria: A mos Holds
Austria: A pie - mar / Bounced with mar (1 against 1).
Austria: A sil - war
Austria: A stp - nwy / Bounced with nwg (1 against 1).
Austria: A tri - ven
Austria: F tys - wes
Austria: A ven - rom
Austria: A vie Holds
     
England:
England: F edi Holds
     
France:
France: A bel Supports A bur
France: F bre - mao
France: A bur Supports A bel
France: F cly - nwg / Failed because Germany: F nwg - nwy failed.
France: F lyo Supports F wes / Support cut by Move from Tuscany.
France: A mar Supports A bur / Support cut by Move from Piedmont.
France: F nth Supports A bel
France: F wes Supports F lyo / Support cut by Move from Tyrrhenian Sea. Dislodged from tys (2 against 1).
       
Germany:
Germany: F den - kie
Germany: F hol Supports F den - kie
Germany: A kie - ber
Germany: A mun Supports A ruh
Germany: F nwg - nwy / Bounced with stp (1 against 1).
Germany: A ruh Supports F hol
   
Turkey:
Turkey: F aeg - ion
Turkey: A apu Supports A rom - nap
Turkey: F con - aeg
Turkey: F ion - tys
Turkey: A rom - nap
Turkey: A rum Holds
Turkey: A sev Holds
Turkey: F tun Supports F tys - wes
Turkey: F tus - lyo / Bounced with lyo (1 against 1).

We are now in the Spring 1908 RETREAT Phase. The only retreat necessary is for France, F Wes. The deadline for this order will be at 10:00 PM EST / 2:00 AM UTC on Tuesday, April 23rd (EST)/Wednesday, April 24th (UTC).

After this is where things get more complicated. Gustaf wishes to leave the game and so I believe unless he changes his mind that we should go on hiatus in Fall 1908 until we find a substitute. I do not know what exactly has been going on in DMs between the players but I have asked Gustaf for some elaboration on the matter of the "vibe" of the game being unpleasant. In the mean time, I think it would be most prudent to hold off on long-form arguments about the matter in the thread. Better still would be discussion on possible substitutes and whether or not to extend the deadline.

[themaninthejinnahcap]

I suppose the disposition of Germany could factor into the retreat, so very well. I will announce the hiatus right now.

If any of you know anyone on the forum (or even off it, too) who might want to play, please invite them so we can get this ball rolling again!

[themaninthejinnahcap]

I am putting feelers out there for new players, we'll see how it plays out over the next few days. If nothing comes our way then this partition idea is certainly my preference so long as everyone is interested (as it seems you are).

IBNU is no longer involved in the game, I told him I could keep him on a HOLD pattern since he has some real life stuff keeping him busy and he didn't even respond to that, so I presume he's far too busy to jump back into the game. I messaged Mikado for now.