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KEmperor
Junior Chimp
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« on: July 02, 2004, 05:52:28 AM »
« edited: July 02, 2004, 05:53:29 AM by SCJ KEmperor »

Disagree. Anyway if private gun ownership had been legal and widespread beforehand, the Germans would have confiscated them immediately following the Reichstag fire, possibly as late as the Night of the Long Knives (1934). They'dve been long gone by the war ('39) and the start of the Final Solution ('41).

Its actually very difficult to confiscate hidden weapons, especially if there is no record of who owns them.  They're very hard to find.  Which is why I'm strongly against any kind of identification or checking of backgrounds of gun buyers.

Ditto.  Gun freedom makes communities safer, as empirical studies have shown.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2004, 06:12:30 AM »

The best argument for gun control is anti-gun control fanatics Wink

Seriously now... in the U.K handguns were banned because of a massacre in a school in Scotland which shocked and appalled just about everyone. There was a massive wave of support for banning handguns.
Very, very few people owned handguns.
Automatic weapons are also banned.

Shotguns, hunting rifles etc are *not* banned (except for certain high velocity weapons, eg: pump action shotguns).

Most gun fatalities are nowadays caused by converted replicas (although the police are trying to crack down on this) and gun deaths are far, far lower in the U.K than in the U.S

But overall crime is much higher.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2004, 06:48:27 AM »

The best argument for gun control is anti-gun control fanatics Wink

Seriously now... in the U.K handguns were banned because of a massacre in a school in Scotland which shocked and appalled just about everyone. There was a massive wave of support for banning handguns.
Very, very few people owned handguns.
Automatic weapons are also banned.

Shotguns, hunting rifles etc are *not* banned (except for certain high velocity weapons, eg: pump action shotguns).

Most gun fatalities are nowadays caused by converted replicas (although the police are trying to crack down on this) and gun deaths are far, far lower in the U.K than in the U.S

But overall crime is much higher.

And I'm sure that having some thug stealing your phone is *much* more serious than being gunned down by said thug...

The U.K does have a problem with petty crime (I blame Thatcher) and an influx of guns would make the problem worse. But I'd rather have a problem with petty crime than a problem with serious crime.

I am talking about serious crime, like burglary.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2004, 11:33:04 PM »


Excellent website, I particularly enjoyed the poster slogans.
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2004, 07:27:32 PM »

http://www.a-human-right.com/

You said

  I don't know much about gun history

Well, that's the truth.  Please stop and learn before you post unfounded 'beliefs.'

Next you said:

 if no one committed a crime using a gun, no one would feel the need to have one for self-defense.  

Firearms allow persons of lesser physical abilities to defend themselves from larger and more powerful attackers.  There are many instances of such defenses.

I don't think it is appropriate for a person to use lethal force to defend against a threat of non-lethal force.  (And this is basically what the law says about legitimate self-defense, with a couple exceptions.)  So anyone using a gun to defend against against non-lethal force is committing a crime, not using it for self defense.  


So you prefer that women be raped, rather than use a gun to defend themselves?  And you would prosecute that woman for murder if she shot her attacker?
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