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afleitch
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« on: March 15, 2008, 03:30:15 PM »

There certainly won't be a snap election anytime soon. A post budget poll has the Tories 16 points clear Smiley
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2008, 04:27:47 PM »
« Edited: March 15, 2008, 04:36:42 PM by afleitch »

There was also a poll today showing the Conservatives 16% ahead. Looked like an outlier to me simply because there doesn't appear to be a reason for the massive shift (from about a 5-point lead recently), but worth mentioning. Of course, even a 16% lead is nothing compared to the sorts of leads Labour was racking up in 1995.

There are two polls out tomorrow.

YouGov have Labour 6 down and the Tories 3 up.
ICM have Labour down 3 and the Tories 3 up.

The reason? The Budget. And possibly the lingering thoughts after the Treaty vote (which by themselves didn't shift the polls)

EDIT: The Yougov figures give the Tories their largest raw lead for 20 years.
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2008, 08:17:20 AM »

The reason? The Budget. And possibly the lingering thoughts after the Treaty vote (which by themselves didn't shift the polls)

Eh, the one looks like a certain outlier and should be ignored. The other one looks *irritatingly* credible though and I can't think of a way to happily dismiss it while not being a total hack. Ah well.

I'm glad you can admit that Smiley

The plus 3 for the Tories in both polls is consistent. So too is the minus 3 for Labour as a result. The minus 6 in YouGov is due to the 'others' taking a leap and Labour will spring up a few points next time round.
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2008, 10:01:28 AM »

O/c they'll never have to worry about fixing that until they get a General Election badly wrong.

Unfortunately YouGov have a good (though small track record) Leicester Uni had them down as the most consistently accurate pollster in the 2005 campaign (with ComRes and Populus as the worst) and followed on from its consistency in 2001. So YouGov will be ultimately be trusted as the pollster by many on the basis of that. Barring changes in methodology it is difficult to think of a scenario where it will get things seriously wrong.
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2008, 04:51:42 PM »

New ICM poll.

Con 42 (+2)
Lab 29 (-2)
Lib 21 (+1)

Some consistency with the changes in the other two polls. Good news after YouGov gave Boris a 12% lead in London and the SNP increased their lead over Labour in Scotland.
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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2008, 08:32:34 AM »
« Edited: March 19, 2008, 02:04:23 PM by afleitch »


Yes (of course). But even he be safe; 20% majorities don't usually vanish into thin air.

I'm sure that Michael Portillo once thought that too Smiley

I don't think Hallam will flip, but never say never.

It's too early to say what strategy the Lib Dems will pursue. I can't see them increasing their seat tally, they may be able to get a few scalps from Labour, but they are in significant danger in the south and south-east.

The problem with the swingometer, is that it reflects the political landscape of Blair and Howard/IDS. The Conservatives (and this is with my hack helmet firmly off) today are different. Some seats that should look good for them won't (unless we're talking about a big win) and some seats that should be out of play will be winnable.

Bear in mind that despite his late unpopularity, many people voted 'for Blair' and not for Labour. The middle class coalition he brought to Labour has effectively been lost. They haven't moved en masse to the Tories, but they will not be so willing to vote for Labour next time particularly if we face an economic downturn. Recent polling is more gloomy for Labour because the C2's and DE's have also shifted away from them. Remember that Thatcher got her strong wins in '83 and '87 because she took a substantial share of the 'working class' vote which she had to do because the Alliance were polling strongly in more 'conservative' demographic groups.

A simple analysis is that the voters she won over in 1979, which pushed her to victory were flaking off to the Alliance in 1983. She had to win them over but also extend her appeal below that group in order to win. In 1987, the working class vote began to drift back to Labour and was broadly complete by 1992. However she regained most of her '79 devotees by 1987, again complete by 1992 so the Tories held onto their support (and their vote share) However Blair won that group hands down in 1997. He won them again, perhaps more strongly in 2001. In 2005 however they began to drift, mostly to the Lib Dems but Labour still won them. Now, at present Cameron is winning over them and he wants to win with them. These '79ers' are not specifically the same voter, but more of the same type of voter, however the core 79ers still turnout. Back then they were young babyboom couples starting families. They were working class in the sense that their parents were, but they were starting out in clerical and service work. By 1997 they were mortgage owners with teenagers and now in 2008 they are fairly financially secure, often now sprightly grandparents or with kids in their 20's. They are the same voters with shared experiences but now different concerns.

Cameron, in that regard is the 'heir to Blair.' He is constructing a victory by attempting to win over the voters that delivered Blair his three landslides. He is also appealing to those both 'above and below' in crude class terms. 'Above' he's after the fairly wealthy social liberals who are relatively uninterested in and unaffected by economic issues (though perhaps thats now changing) who were pretty much converted to the Lib Dems by Kennedy but can be won back and 'below' he's 'dog-whistling' to the same lower middle and working class voters Howard targeted on issues such as crime and Europe, but doing so differently hence his 'breakdown Britain' package.

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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2008, 02:18:09 PM »

Oh I'd agree with that. I was just generalising general shifts putting the '79ers' into context. Really, as you've probably guessed we're looking at a whole new battleground in 2009/2010 which, if current trends stick will see an unwinding of the allegiances (and shifts between them) that we've seen in the UK since 1979.

Ideologically, the Tories have shifted from 'post-Thatcherite' politics and political concerns, something that suprisingly Labour have failed to do (and in my opinion must do if they want to win) Now this doesn't quite mean that we're now in a post-Blair era; it's too early to determine the impact Blairism has had, though the Conservatives apparent acceptance of high levels of public spending and taxation, at least initially is telling. What it means now is that Thatcherite achievements and failures are no longer the benchmarks on which to base policy or reaction to economic and social situations.

In my own opinion, the Tories are moving back to their '79-'82/3' positioning. The Tories, while led by Thatcher were not Thatcherite. Economically they certainly were not Thatcherite that Keith Joseph fed ideology came later but that's an essay in itself.
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2008, 04:45:01 AM »


I think Brown will wait until the scandals has been forgotten or a tory scandal emerges, but I can only see 1 victory at the next election (that sounds really odd, like 2 people could win)...unfortunately.

Scandals are affecting the Tories less and less. A few years ago the Conway scandal would have floored us. Now the public are fairly unmoved. Remember that scandals in themselves don't shift the polls only if they are part of something wider. It's not scandal alone that has caused this government trouble.
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