22nd Amendment: 3 Terms

[Psychic Octopus]

Clinton vs. Bush in 2000

Clinton, despite high approval, does a bit worse because of the "trust" issue that emerged in light of his affair. However, with the prosperous economy, Clinton is able to easily ward off the challenge from the Bush campaign.

[rbt48]

It would not have been realistic for Ike to run in 1960 due to age and health concerns.  But, if we could take away the heart attacks, he would have waltzed to victory, even if Kennedy had decided to challenge him.  Everyone seems to give Kennedy New York.  New York is traditionally strong for incumbents and Ike took it very strongly over Stevenson in both races.

[Bo]

It would not have been realistic for Ike to run in 1960 due to age and health concerns.  But, if we could take away the heart attacks, he would have waltzed to victory, even if Kennedy had decided to challenge him.  Everyone seems to give Kennedy New York.  New York is traditionally strong for incumbents and Ike took it very strongly over Stevenson in both races.

Kennedy was a stronger candidate than Stevenson. In regards to the heart attacks, Ike could still run, just as long as he picks a comptent VP just in case something happens to him or he takes a turn for the worse. Then, after Ike is elected to a third term he could just relegate many of his tasks to his advisors (similar to Reagan).

[Person Man]

1960- Ike Narrowly wins against Kennedy. Perhaps 51-52.5% PV

1964- Ike doesn't run, Nixon runs and Kennedy runs again- Kennedy wins by substantial margin- Perhaps a flip of 1960.

1968- Kennedy is narrowly reelected, with the Republican party picking someone who is more moderate than Goldwater...perhaps Rockefellar?

1972- Kennedy doesn't run, Johnson runs and is beat by Agnew. Perhaps Agnew gets to 55%

1976- Agnew probably gets into something watergate-lite and loses to Jimmy Carter. Carter does somewhat better than in real life. Perhaps 52% of vote...but because he was so close at 50% in so many states, he wins in a modest EV landslide.

1980- Reagan wins in a landslide

1984- 50 states?

1988- I agree with the new 1988 map.

1992- Reagan resigns and Bush runs, Clinton wins by slightly higher margins due to lack incumbency advantages. Therefore, Clinton probably wins NC, FL and TX, giving him 441 EVS.

1996- Same is in real life...probably loses Texas but keeps everything else

2000- Clinton wins by a decent margin, without a Perot effect, he probably wins 2000 Gore + MO, AR, LA, TN, FL, NV, OH and maybe AZ.

2004- Clinton runs again and wins CO, but loses LA and GA.

2008- Clinton resigns and Gore/Biden runs and convincingly loses to McCain/Pawlenty.

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Reagan said at one time that while he doesn't support two terms limit, he wouldn't himself run for third, if allowed.

Ike seems pretty unlikely, since he never was much into a job, and had serious health issues. Of course, on the other hand, like in 1952, he could been convinced by a friends

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2000:

Clinton/Gore (D): 338 ev
Bush/Cheney (R): 200 ev

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Btw, I wonder how horrible for the GOP 2008 map would look, if Bush was permitted to run for 3rd term and got nomination again

[Lincoln Republican]

For the record, if a President were to run for a third term, I highly doubt any of them would keep the same running mate for a third time.

They would pick someone new for VP to revitalize the ticket, like FDR did in 1940.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

For the record, if a President were to run for a third term, I highly doubt any of them would keep the same running mate for a third time.

They would pick someone new for VP to revitalize the ticket, like FDR did in 1940.

On the other hand, why would Clinton drop Gore for 2000?

[Miles]

Btw, I wonder how horrible for the GOP 2008 map would look, if Bush was permitted to run for 3rd term and got nomination again

Probably something like this...

Obama/Biden-383
Bush/Cheney-155

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Btw, I wonder how horrible for the GOP 2008 map would look, if Bush was permitted to run for 3rd term and got nomination again

Probably something like this...

Obama/Biden-383
Bush/Cheney-155

Considering that McCain won Georgia with 5%, I can definitively see Obama carrying Georgia under above circumstances.

[Miles]

Btw, I wonder how horrible for the GOP 2008 map would look, if Bush was permitted to run for 3rd term and got nomination again

Probably something like this...

Obama/Biden-383
Bush/Cheney-155

Considering that McCain won Georgia with 5%, I can definitively see Obama carrying Georgia under above circumstances.

Yeah, I thought I was being pretty kind to Bush with this map.

Maybe Obama would have snagged away the Dakotas too.

[NHI]

Reagan vs. Dukakis:
R: 451
D:  87

Clinton vs. Bush
D: 318
R: 220

Obama vs. Bush
D: 421
R: 117

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

We have three threads on the same subject!

[Lincoln Republican]

For the record, if a President were to run for a third term, I highly doubt any of them would keep the same running mate for a third time.

They would pick someone new for VP to revitalize the ticket, like FDR did in 1940.

On the other hand, why would Clinton drop Gore for 2000?

More to the point, why wouldn't he drop him?

[Person Man]

Barack Obama 58.2%
George W. Bush 40.5%
Others 1%