Biden signs executive order dramatically tightening border

[DaleCooper]

This could be Biden's "Nixon creates the EPA" moment, or Bill Clinton's "triangulation" moment, which helped win both their respective second terms. It's always a wise strategy, even if unpopular with a base, to co-opt the opposition's stance.

But it remains to be seen if it will be too late. Had he done this at the beginning of the year or before he allowed Republicans to shape the narrative, it might have had more impact on November.

Ideally he would've done something like this within the first year of his presidency.

[jojoju1998]

Interesting to see the divide between blue collar leftists liberals and the more wine track liberals.

[Vice President Christian Man]

Deeply depressing how far right this country has moved on immigration in just a few years.

I wouldn't call it moving far-right,  but rather the Dems were the ones that moved far to the left on this issue (one of several) because of Trump. Now that such a position was seen as toxic, they're moving closer to where they were before him.

[Vice President Christian Man]

Come on, the United States is not a jobs program for foreigners. You don't have to support the Trump family separation policy to see that. The left wonders why they're losing the working class and it's nonsense like this that demonstrates it. You'd even rather lose elections, and let Republicans appoint more judges, than moderate on immigration. If one of those Obama judges dies under a second Trump term (and Alito and Thomas retire) then we're talking about 60-70 years before we can even have a moderate Supreme Court again. I'm not willing to trade that just so that a few more immigrants (probably with bad politics themselves) can move here.

I'm not even seeing where any calls for increased immigration. The problem has resulted from extremists measures towards migrants that border on inhumanity. You know what the problem is and creating a false narrative about open borders/unlimited immigration doesn't change it. You have legal immigrants or natural born citizens called "illegals" based on assumptions. That's not productive, it's just hysterical bigotry.

That has nothing to do with anything that I've ever said.

SHOW ME ONE DEMOCRAT WHO HAS CALLED FOR OPEN BORDERS!

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/426659-ocasio-cortez-votes-against-bill-to-reopen-government-over-ice-funding/

[Vice President Christian Man]

The NBC headline is misleading. He isn't shutting down the border, he's just cracking down on illegal immigration like he should be. While it reminds me a bit of what Bill Clinton did, I'm glad he's still allowing legal immigrants to apply for asylum.

[All Along The Watchtower]

What is the argument that letting illegal immigrants get paid pennies on the dollar by corporate ghouls isn't right-wing?

So give them amnesty and citizenship and strengthen collective bargaining rights for all workers by repealing Taft-Hartley etc.

[Horus]

What is the argument that letting illegal immigrants get paid pennies on the dollar by corporate ghouls isn't right-wing?

So give them amnesty and citizenship and strengthen collective bargaining rights for all workers by repealing Taft-Hartley etc.

Why should they be given amnesty when they broke the law? That would be incredibly unfair to everyone else. The most important thing to do is to lock up the people employing them, but that is of course the absolute lowest priority for both parties.

Obviously Taft Hartley should be repealed.

[All Along The Watchtower]

What is the argument that letting illegal immigrants get paid pennies on the dollar by corporate ghouls isn't right-wing?

So give them amnesty and citizenship and strengthen collective bargaining rights for all workers by repealing Taft-Hartley etc.

Why should they be given amnesty when they broke the law? That would be incredibly unfair to everyone else.

I also think legal immigration should be made significantly easier. *shrug*

[Sir Mohamed]

A step in the right direction, even though it's tough to do. Whether it actually reduces irregular border crossings is another question. It could very well be the overall numbers remain high, just that asylum seekers no longer are directly picked up by border patrol. Not to mention possible legal challenges.

[Meclazine for Israel]

Just a political exercise in his deluded belief it will help his election chances.

[AtorBoltox]

Sounds logical and centrist.  I miss her.

What is the argument that reducing legal immigration isn’t right-wing?

Pretty much every early trade union and labour/social democratic party across the Anglo world had opposition to immigration as one of their founding planks

[AtorBoltox]

The Danish Social Democrats would be Republicans in the USA /s

[DaleCooper]

Deeply depressing how far right this country has moved on immigration in just a few years.

I wouldn't call it moving far-right,  but rather the Dems were the ones that moved far to the left on this issue (one of several) because of Trump. Now that such a position was seen as toxic, they're moving closer to where they were before him.

I don't think it's just that the position is toxic, it's also that the types of people who supported illegal immigration in the past have now come to realize that it's bad. Young progressives and college students from 4-8 years ago are now realizing that they don't want to compete in the workforce with people willing to work practically for free, and even the bleeding heart white collar workers are realizing that corporations are willing to replace the few high-paying jobs left in America with foreigners who will do it for a dollar a day. Combine all that with the fact that it's a losing issue and not one that the left should care much about, and the Democrats becoming more xenophobic on immigration makes perfect sense.

[Ferguson97]

Sounds logical and centrist.  I miss her.

What is the argument that reducing legal immigration isn’t right-wing?

Pretty much every early trade union and labour/social democratic party across the Anglo world had opposition to immigration as one of their founding planks

Trade unions and labor parties opposing immigration due to self-interest does not mean that their positions are not right-wing.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Sounds logical and centrist.  I miss her.

What is the argument that reducing legal immigration isn’t right-wing?

Pretty much every early trade union and labour/social democratic party across the Anglo world had opposition to immigration as one of their founding planks

I mean that’s right-wing compared to more radical elements of the Left. “Workers of the world, unite!”, internationalism, etc.

In any event this is all unrelated to the merits of any particular immigration policy.

[Horus]

Even under 30s approve. Border control is popular and the right thing to do.

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