Alternate US States

[Californian Tony]

I apologize again for the long time between two updates. Here is a new one :

Pennsylvania

This is the westernmost, and unsurprisingly the most liberal part of OTL Pennsylvania. Indeed, Philadelphia Metro Area would make it a solidly democratic state, comparable to Michigan or even Illinois. Obama would obviously have no difficulties to carry it in 2008, approaching 60% of the votes.
Harrisburgh would remain the capital.

PA county map :


Barack Obama : 2,179,650 (59.04%) => 13 EVs
John McCain : 1,466,984 (39.74%)
Others : 45,100 (1.22%)


LNPI : +12.04 => solid dem.
Without any surprise, we can see that PA's 13 EVs would unequivocally go to the democrats, except in case of an Eisenhower-esque Republican win. It's also sure that Allegheny will have a negative LNPI, so that the Pennsylvania split will result in a gain of 10 EVs for republicans and a loss of 8 for Democrats. What will be more interesting is to know if AY will be republican enough to vote for McCain in 2008 or if Obama would carry it as he did for Ohio.

[Californian Tony]

This is my dream map for several reasons.  The first reason is obvious.  The second is that I can see no reason why this wouldn't benefit my party.  You basically just split up every state, except Texas, that is reliably Democratic.

Well, don't be so sure of this. There's many things to take into account : Erie, Rio Grande, all the fusionned republican States... We'll see who will finally benefit : I personally don't know.

Call it Southern California, not San Bernardino.

California Del Sur is better.

[Communists For McCain]

So I got bored today and I decided to do some experimenting with your new states.
Since I'm a noob I decided to see what the 1964 scenario would look like with these states:



Johnson/Humphrey (Democratic)
Goldwater/Miller (Republican)

[Communists For McCain]

Now here's one of 1960:



Kennedy/Johnson (Democratic)
Nixon/Lodge (Republican)

This one gave me a f***ing headache.
I might be wrong on a few (I debated whether to make North Texas red or blue for twenty minutes, same with Western Pennsylvania as well as Wisconsin and Michigan), so please be forgiving.

[Californian Tony]

This is formidable. Congratulations for your work.

1960 is really surprising. However, I think you're wrong on WI and MI : My transfert isn't sufficient to either make MI rep or WI dem. Nevada also surprises me, since the few counties I added aren't populous at all. Maybe eastern PA could also be democratic that time.

[Communists For McCain]

This is formidable. Congratulations for your work.

1960 is really surprising. However, I think you're wrong on WI and MI : My transfert isn't sufficient to either make MI rep or WI dem. Nevada also surprises me, since the few counties I added aren't populous at all. Maybe eastern PA could also be democratic that time.

Well Nevada did go Democrat in 1960.

Like I said 1960 was a f***ing crazy election year. It's like everyone woke up and wondered "who the hell should I vote for?"

[Communists For McCain]

More to come..........

[Californian Tony]

Well Nevada did go Democrat in 1960.

Fixed. I don't know why, but I was sure to have seen it blue on your map.

More to come..........

Please just let 2008 to me !

[Communists For McCain]

More to come..........

Please just let 2008 to me !

Your scenario.

[Californian Tony]

More to come..........

Please just let 2008 to me !

Your scenario.

[Communists For McCain]

Well Nevada did go Democrat in 1960.

Fixed. I don't know why, but I was sure to have seen it blue on your map.

THe first time I uploaded the map I accidently made Nevada blue. So it probably wasn't your imagination.

[Californian Tony]

Well Nevada did go Democrat in 1960.

Fixed. I don't know why, but I was sure to have seen it blue on your map.

THe first time I uploaded the map I accidently made Nevada blue. So it probably wasn't your imagination.

Ok, better so...

[Communists For McCain]

1968:



Humphrey/Muskie (Democratic)
Nixon/Agnew (Republican)
Wallace/Le May (American Independent)

Again, due to the competitive nature of this election, I might've screwed up on a few of the states. And once again it is North Texas that gave me the most headache and West Coast and California.
Holy hell, Wallace could've actually screwed Nixon big in this one.

[Communists For McCain]

1972:



McGovern/Shirver (Democratic)
Nixon/Agnew (Republican)

Great Gagsby! I heard that McGovern came across as too radical, but man.....even in this scenario he still only wins one state.

[Californian Tony]

Damn... I never noticed he got destroyed even in Cook county !

[Alexander Hamilton]

Damn... I never noticed he got destroyed even in Cook county !

Cook COunty suburbs used to be heavily Republican though so its not that big of a deal. Also, its McGovern...

[Californian Tony]

Let's go with Allegheny.

Allegheny

Solidly Republican even with Pittsburgh, Allegheny would've been John McCain's closest state after Missouri (MT doesn't exist).
I accept propositions for the State capital, since the only city I know there is Pittsburgh.

AY county map :


John McCain : 1,188,901 (51.17%) => 10 EVs
Barack Obama : 1,096,713 (47.21%)
Others : 37,599 (1.62%)


LNPI : -11.23 => solid rep.
If the State was expected to be more republican that the average, this huge LNPI makes it almost as republican as PA is democratic. As I said before, the final result of Pennsylvania split is a gain of 10 EVs for republicans and a loss of 8 for Democrats. Anyways, interesting to see how democrats have lost ground around here, whereas AY would probably have been more democratic than PA in the past.

[Hashemite]

2004 results in Allegheny would be more interesting.

[Californian Tony]

2004 results in Allegheny would be more interesting.

I don't think Kerry would've carried it.

[Communists For McCain]

1976:



Carter/Mondale (Democratic)
Ford/Dole (Republican)

Once again due to the competitiveness in some areas, this might be a little off.

[Californian Tony]

Just for curiosity, how do you proceed for these maps ? Do you do some math or just look at the county maps ?

Anyways, that seems right everywere.

[Communists For McCain]

Just for curiosity, how do you proceed for these maps ? Do you do some math or just look at the county maps ?

Anyways, that seems right everywere.

A combination of both really.
I look at the county maps and usually I determine how each state votes just by looking at what number the majority of counties voted. However, if the percent who voted for a candidate is high enough yet they only won like 5 or so counties in a state, I look for the counties big cities are in. New York is the biggest example of this latter scenario since the counties of New York City are so much smaller yet have quite a bit more of the population than the counties near it.

[Communists For McCain]

1980:



This one was a bit easier, but East Texas (or is it just Texas) and North Florida gave me a headache.

Carter/Mondale (Democratic)
Reagan/Bush (Republican)
Anderson/Lucey (Independent)

[Communists For McCain]

1984:


Mondale/Ferraro (Democratic)
Reagan/Bush (Republican)

Mondale actually wins more than one state!
South Texas would actually be one of Mondale's strongest states.

[Californian Tony]

I would've expected Carter and Mondale to win East Coast and Rio Grande...