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The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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Dallasfan65
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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Quote from: Decimus Iunius Iuvenalis on December 23, 2009, 09:19:38 pm
Quote from: Xuande on December 23, 2009, 09:13:34 pm
Ouch. Someone doesn't like the TL.
Who?
Dunno, but someone voted "THIS TL NEEDS TO STOP RIGHT NOW!"
you can please some of the people some of the time, but you cant please all of the people all of the time.
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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December 23, 2009, 09:55:15 pm »
Quote from: Xuande on December 23, 2009, 09:21:40 pm
Dunno, but someone voted "THIS TL NEEDS TO STOP RIGHT NOW!"
Guilty.
I wanted to vote for ":up to 2004" option, and mistakenly clicked this, sorry.
Continue, of course.
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Dallasfan65
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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December 23, 2009, 10:34:32 pm »
Quote from: Senate Majority Leader Jefferson Dent (D-AL) on December 23, 2009, 09:55:15 pm
Quote from: Xuande on December 23, 2009, 09:21:40 pm
Dunno, but someone voted "THIS TL NEEDS TO STOP RIGHT NOW!"
Guilty.
I wanted to vote for ":up to 2004" option, and mistakenly clicked this, sorry.
Continue, of course.
Haha, that's fine. I'm kindof glad that, considering this is my first TL, there was only one vote to stop and it was accidental. Update coming tonight.
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Dallasfan65
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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Blue - Connally
Red - DuPont
Green - Hatfield
Despite vigorous campaigning and some chance that Hatfield might be the nominee, a string of unlucky primaries through April (in which he only won Wisconsin and Vermont, as opposed to Connally's NY, PA, AZ, MO, and UT victories) it became clear that he would not be the nominee. After narrowly winning his home state of Oregon, he announced he would be withdrawing from the race.
Red - Jackson
Blue - McGovern
President Jackson still did not feel the need to campaign, remarking that it would be un-presidential. After two narrow upsets in New York and Wisconsin, President Jackson began campaigning in full force, "running the table" and shutting him out in most states, only allowing him to win VT, OR and MD. After winning Oregon, he also announced he would be withdrawing, to deliver a joint concession speech with Senator Hatfield.
The two campaigns held a final rally at St. Paul, Minnesota.
"My friends, my supporters, I thank you for all you have done. Whether it was volunteering, donations, or merely your vote, I thank you. I am only sorry that I have not yet lived up to your demands. What did you demand? A leader. Though we disagree on some issues, I believe that Senator Hatfield is a leader. Though some Republicans followed later on, he was one of the first to begin to say, that we must withdraw. President Jackson, and Senator Connally, these men are not leaders. I want you to consider the nominees, and ask yourself, 'Are either of these parties fit to lead?' "
At the convention, John Connally announced his Vice Presidential pick.
Senator John Chaffee of Rhode Island. Though not often on the national spotlight, John Chaffee was a friend of Connally's from the Nixon administration, and Connally felt he could be competitive in New England.
At the Democratic Convention, there was a brief push to dump Vice President Bentsen from the ticket due to concerns of President Jackson's health, but he refused outright.
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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Updated.
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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December 24, 2009, 11:18:37 pm »
Ugh, if its Jackson vs. Connally, I'll have to support a third-party ticket.
Keep up the good work on this TL though.
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Dallasfan65
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After a prolonged, though eventual victory at Dezful against mostly Soviet forces, President Jackson requested an additional 30,000 troops from Congress. "We can't leave our men in there in the amounts they're in, without-back up, especially how the Soviets have been messing around." The Senate voted, 63-20, to send the troops. Senator Chafee voted in favor, and Senator Connally was absent, but supported sending the troops.
President Jackson's Approval
Approve:54%
Disapprove:43%
War In Iran Approval
Approve: 64%
Disapprove: 29%
American casualties were now 6,923 since the invasion of Iran.
On the international front, though the war in Iran looked to be more or less a steady American push (but not without set-backs, and strong Soviet resistance) the Soviet Union itself was in shambles, economically. Leader Yuri Andropov refused to comment about the US-Iran war, and was not on speaking terms with UN Ambassador Patrick Kennedy.
On August 28th, former Senator George McGovern scheduled a press conference.
"I am appauled that we're sending another 30,000 men to Iran, merely to fight and die, and for what? To fight the Soviets? We tried this in the 70's and it didn't work! I can no longer stand by and watch as these men go on to their deaths, because of an arm-chair General in the oval office. If the Democratic party won't get rid of this man, then I will myself. I announce to all those that supported me, that I am running for President of the United States, with Senator Hatfield."
Who do you support?
Jackson: 46%
Connally: 37%
McGovern: 16%
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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December 25, 2009, 12:12:00 am »
I hope Scoop Jackson gets reelected.
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Dallasfan65
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The Presidential campaigns of the three contenders kicked off into high gear beginning in September.
President Jackson's Campaign
Being a moderately popular President amongst the average American (approval rating's in the 50's) and the advantage of incumbency, Scoop was favored to win reelection. Considering the insurgent candidacy of McGovern, he focused on maintaining vital ground on the West Coast and the rustbelt while looking to expand into the West.
Senator Connally's Campaign
Taking the West somewhat for granted, John Connally focused on regaining Dixie after Dole's loss in 1980. He had a slight lead in Texas despite Vice President Bentsen being on the ticket, and was even favored to win a plurality (albeit slim) in the Atlantic States. He was relatively civil and non-chalant, hoping McGovern and Jackson would split eachother enough.
George McGovern's Campaign
George McGovern knew that certain states would be receptive, where as others would be volatile. McGovern only was on the ballot in certain states, but if he were to win all of the states he was on the ballot in (which he knew was impossible) he would piece together 320 electoral votes.
States in which McGovern was on the ballot.
The first Presidential debate was held on September 15th. On Connally's part, it was one of the cleanest, most civil debate performances ever. He stated that while he agreed with President Jackson on Iran, he felt that Jackson was not doing the best job on the economy. President Jackson snuck in little jabs but was relatively civil. McGovern took this as an opportunity to distance himself away from the two, in his closing statement.
"It's as if they're two heads of the same dragon," he said. "They're not even attempting to hide their closeness, their friendship. A lifelong Democrat, I now say that these two parties are one in the same, two sides of the same coin. Neither of these men will end the war. Neither of these men will give you a job. Neither of them have said a damn thing about healthcare. One promises you the stagnant economy of the 70's, the other promises you the stagnant economy of the 80's. Do you want a real choice?"
McGovern was seen by many as doing the best in the debate, followed by Jackson and Connally.
Several days later, U.S. forces announced the capture of Mostafa Chamran, the defense minister of Iran. President Jackson's poll numbers saw a 5% boost.
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McGovern-Hatfield ftw.
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December 26, 2009, 11:16:37 pm »
McGovern is the only good choice.
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Dallasfan65
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Glad to see the positive feedback. I'll be posting the election either tonight or tomorrow afternoon, probably the latter.
Any candidates you guys are looking forward to seeing in future elections? (in this TL.)
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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Reply #63 on:
December 26, 2009, 11:37:16 pm »
Quote from: Xuande on December 26, 2009, 11:33:10 pm
Glad to see the positive feedback. I'll be posting the election either tonight or tomorrow afternoon, probably the latter.
Any candidates you guys are looking forward to seeing in future elections? (in this TL.)
Well it could be interesting to see Ron Paul make a run for the Republican nomination in '88...
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Dallasfan65
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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Reply #64 on:
December 26, 2009, 11:38:57 pm »
Quote from: Libertas on December 26, 2009, 11:37:16 pm
Quote from: Xuande on December 26, 2009, 11:33:10 pm
Glad to see the positive feedback. I'll be posting the election either tonight or tomorrow afternoon, probably the latter.
Any candidates you guys are looking forward to seeing in future elections? (in this TL.)
Well it could be interesting to see Ron Paul make a run for the Republican nomination in '88...
I was actually thinking of another TL when i finish this one where the Ron Paul/Goldwater conservatives become the face of the Republican party.
Blah, I hope to God no one steals this idea. A Ron Paul presidency would be a beautiful thing, he's been great on the House Banking Committee.
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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Reply #65 on:
December 26, 2009, 11:54:02 pm »
Quote from: Xuande on December 26, 2009, 11:38:57 pm
Quote from: Libertas on December 26, 2009, 11:37:16 pm
Quote from: Xuande on December 26, 2009, 11:33:10 pm
Glad to see the positive feedback. I'll be posting the election either tonight or tomorrow afternoon, probably the latter.
Any candidates you guys are looking forward to seeing in future elections? (in this TL.)
Well it could be interesting to see Ron Paul make a run for the Republican nomination in '88...
I was actually thinking of another TL when i finish this one where the Ron Paul/Goldwater conservatives become the face of the Republican party.
Blah, I hope to God no one steals this idea. A Ron Paul presidency would be a beautiful thing, he's been great on the House Banking Committee.
Good idea, though Ron Paul is more Robert Taft than Barry Goldwater.
He could still run here in 88 though, as he did run in real life on the LP ticket. The decision is yours, of course, its your TL.
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Dallasfan65
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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Reply #66 on:
December 26, 2009, 11:55:09 pm »
Quote from: Libertas on December 26, 2009, 11:54:02 pm
Quote from: Xuande on December 26, 2009, 11:38:57 pm
Quote from: Libertas on December 26, 2009, 11:37:16 pm
Quote from: Xuande on December 26, 2009, 11:33:10 pm
Glad to see the positive feedback. I'll be posting the election either tonight or tomorrow afternoon, probably the latter.
Any candidates you guys are looking forward to seeing in future elections? (in this TL.)
Well it could be interesting to see Ron Paul make a run for the Republican nomination in '88...
I was actually thinking of another TL when i finish this one where the Ron Paul/Goldwater conservatives become the face of the Republican party.
Blah, I hope to God no one steals this idea. A Ron Paul presidency would be a beautiful thing, he's been great on the House Banking Committee.
Good idea, though Ron Paul is more Robert Taft than Barry Goldwater.
He could still run here in 88 though, as he did run in real life on the LP ticket.
It probably won't be seen in this TL though, I have an even more unexpected choice prepared to shake up the primary in 88..
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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Three way race, sweet
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Dallasfan65
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December 27, 2009, 12:22:29 pm »
Before the October debate, McGovern had stepped up to second in the polls.
Who do you support?
Jackson: 39%
McGovern: 32%
Connally: 29%
Much of this was attributed to dissatisfaction with Republicans due to Watergate, and the disastrous Ford presidency. Shortly after this poll was released, Connally pulled out of certain states and allocated his resources where he saw as most vulnerable in Jackson's last electoral victory.
The second and last debate happened, in mid-October. Much of the discourse was relatively civil, especially between Connally and Jackson, but when the category of war was brought up, Jackson boasted that victory was within arm's reach, and bragged about the U.S. military's capture of Mostafa Chamran. After this statement, McGovern attacked.
"There is a growing movement that would beg to differ with your statement,
President.
My candidacy would attest to that. Little do the American people know it, but this is a facade put up so he can win reelection and get another escalation by the do-nothings in Congress that refuse to reign him in - this includes you, Senator Connally. How many more kids must fight and die, merely to kill innocent Iranians, and for your own amusement?"
Though meant to expose the President for what McGovern saw him as, the attack was well received only among the most hardcore members of his base - people who already planned on voting for him. However, it drove off the leaners, and proved damaging to his campaign. Connally and Jackson both accused McGovern of playing politics with the country's foreign affairs, and pinned him as a single-issue candidate. By the time the election had rolled around, McGovern fell to a paltry 16% in the polls.
President Henry M. Jackson/Vice President Lloyd Bentsen, 247 EV, 42.3% PV
Senator John Connally/Senator John Chafee, 253 EV, 41.6% PV
George McGovern/Senator Mark Hatfield, 38 EV, 16.1% PV
Robust efforts in the rust belt by McGovern split enough of Jackson's vote to deliver Ohio and Illinois to Connally by extremely narrow margins, the same to be said about New Jersey. President Jackson had spent little time in New England, and despite getting a share of the vote, did not win a single state East of New York.
"The bastard.." remarked President Jackson, about McGovern. "Were it not for him, I would've easily broken 300.."
It was unsure how the House of Representatives would vote, since no candidate had a majority of EV's. The Democrats still had a majority despite a 10 seat gain by the Republicans, but would enough of the Left-Wing congressman vote for Connally instead merely to deny Jackson the presidency? Could Jackson win them back over? They headed off, each campaign calling Congressman, making deals and concessions.. It was only a matter of time to see how the House would vote.
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Yay, now McGovern has a chance.
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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December 27, 2009, 12:37:56 pm »
How did the Democrat win Indiana though, especially while losing Illinois and Ohio?
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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I hope Jackson wins in the House. I'm glad to see a hawkish Democratic President after Vietnam and I don't want to see all the hawks removed from the Democratic Party as in RL.
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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Quote from: HawkishDemocrat on December 27, 2009, 03:41:37 pm
I hope Jackson wins in the House. I'm glad to see a hawkish Democratic President after Vietnam and I don't want to see all the hawks removed from the Democratic Party as in RL.
By "RL" you mean your imagination, right?
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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Quote from: Libertas on December 27, 2009, 03:42:40 pm
Quote from: HawkishDemocrat on December 27, 2009, 03:41:37 pm
I hope Jackson wins in the House. I'm glad to see a hawkish Democratic President after Vietnam and I don't want to see all the hawks removed from the Democratic Party as in RL.
By "RL" you mean your imagination, right?
No, RL=Real Life.
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Re: The Second Term of Gerald Ford
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Quote from: HawkishDemocrat on December 27, 2009, 03:46:53 pm
Quote from: Libertas on December 27, 2009, 03:42:40 pm
Quote from: HawkishDemocrat on December 27, 2009, 03:41:37 pm
I hope Jackson wins in the House. I'm glad to see a hawkish Democratic President after Vietnam and I don't want to see all the hawks removed from the Democratic Party as in RL.
By "RL" you mean your imagination, right?
No, RL=Real Life.
Is that an MMORPG or something? Cause here in the real world, the Democrats have been dominated by hawks for decades.
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