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« Reply #100 on: May 11, 2010, 08:50:21 am »
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Just saw part of the commercial with Obama.  Biden is coming to help.  Roll Eyes

There is some speculation that Obama might be making a personal appearance.



Obama=Doing more to help the Republicans win in Pennsylvania than Pat Toomey ever could........
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« Reply #101 on: May 11, 2010, 09:05:18 am »
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Just saw part of the commercial with Obama.  Biden is coming to help.  Roll Eyes

There is some speculation that Obama might be making a personal appearance.



Obama=Doing more to help the Republicans win in Pennsylvania than Pat Toomey ever could........

I'm not disagreeing.

I don't think it is over, and I think it will be a photo finish.
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« Reply #102 on: May 11, 2010, 12:44:40 pm »
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Obama needs to pick his battles more wisely...
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« Reply #103 on: May 11, 2010, 02:47:17 pm »
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Obama needs to pick his battles more wisely...
Like not trying to personally destroy his own party, seat by seat? Yeah, that would indeed be a little more wise.
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« Reply #104 on: May 11, 2010, 02:52:55 pm »
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Just saw part of the commercial with Obama.  Biden is coming to help.  Roll Eyes

There is some speculation that Obama might be making a personal appearance.



Obama=Doing more to help the Republicans win in Pennsylvania than Pat Toomey ever could........

I'm not disagreeing.

I don't think it is over, and I think it will be a photo finish.

I know, just commenting on Obama's cerebral stupidity.
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« Reply #105 on: May 11, 2010, 03:06:16 pm »
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Hahaha, Obama just posted a stumping for Specter on Facebook and he is getting trashed in the comments section. I know it doesnt mean a darn thing, but it made me giggle. Smiley
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« Reply #106 on: May 11, 2010, 03:08:30 pm »
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Another poll coming out tomorrow, this time from Franklin and Marshall. It will apparently show Sestak "ahead by around five points" not unlike the other recent ones.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/05/why_sestak_might_really_pull_i.html
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« Reply #107 on: May 11, 2010, 03:15:26 pm »
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Another poll coming out tomorrow, this time from Franklin and Marshall. It will apparently also show Sestak "ahead by around five points" not unlike the other recent ones.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/05/why_sestak_might_really_pull_i.html

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« Reply #108 on: May 11, 2010, 07:08:20 pm »
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New Quinnipiac poll in the morning too!
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« Reply #109 on: May 11, 2010, 07:12:20 pm »
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Another poll coming out tomorrow, this time from Franklin and Marshall. It will apparently show Sestak "ahead by around five points" not unlike the other recent ones.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/plum-line/2010/05/why_sestak_might_really_pull_i.html

F & M polling is one of the better ones for PA.
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« Reply #110 on: May 11, 2010, 11:28:34 pm »
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Specter has started the Obama ad.
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« Reply #111 on: May 12, 2010, 05:43:02 am »
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Specter +2 in Quinnipiac, down from +8 last week.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/05/12/too_close_to_call_in_pennsylvania.html
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« Reply #112 on: May 12, 2010, 08:06:22 am »
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For what it's worth...Intrade has Specter winning the primary at 20.0 right now.
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« Reply #113 on: May 12, 2010, 09:01:20 am »
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And in the last month......it's been a near avalance in falling poll numbers.
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« Reply #114 on: May 12, 2010, 10:20:07 am »
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And in the last month......it's been a near avalance in falling poll numbers.

My question is, has Specter plugged the gap with the Obama commercial.
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« Reply #115 on: May 12, 2010, 10:32:30 am »
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F & M came out with Specter 38 Sestak 29, 7.9 MOE.

http://www.centredaily.com/2010/05/12/1971775/polls-specter-sestak-race-too.html
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« Reply #116 on: May 12, 2010, 11:06:37 am »
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Keep in mind that F&M is one of the worst pollsters in America.
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« Reply #117 on: May 12, 2010, 12:03:04 pm »
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WRONG. The numbers for F & M are Sestak 38 Specter 36. The numbers you posted are for ALL REGISTERED DEMOCRATS. I think it's safe to say that all registered Democrats will not be heading to the polls for this primary.
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WRONG. The numbers for F & M are Sestak 38 Specter 36. The numbers you posted are for ALL REGISTERED DEMOCRATS. I think it's safe to say that all registered Democrats will not be heading to the polls for this primary.

Textbook example of J. J. dishonesty (even ignoring the fact that F&M is a garbage uni poll anyway.)
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« Reply #119 on: May 12, 2010, 12:06:05 pm »
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Also, the tracking poll is tied again today.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/Muhlenberg0511.pdf
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« Reply #120 on: May 12, 2010, 12:15:56 pm »
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WRONG. The numbers for F & M are Sestak 38 Specter 36. The numbers you posted are for ALL REGISTERED DEMOCRATS. I think it's safe to say that all registered Democrats will not be heading to the polls for this primary.

Textbook example of J. J. dishonesty (even ignoring the fact that F&M is a garbage uni poll anyway.)

Considering he provied the link, he can't be "dishonest".......I think he just misread or just didn't caveat that it was registerd dems vs. likely dems.
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« Reply #121 on: May 12, 2010, 12:25:26 pm »
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WRONG. The numbers for F & M are Sestak 38 Specter 36. The numbers you posted are for ALL REGISTERED DEMOCRATS. I think it's safe to say that all registered Democrats will not be heading to the polls for this primary.

Textbook example of J. J. dishonesty (even ignoring the fact that F&M is a garbage uni poll anyway.)

Considering he provied the link, he can't be "dishonest".......I think he just misread or just didn't caveat that it was registerd dems vs. likely dems.

Yes, I'd seen 38-29 cited as a headline number elsewhere, too.
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« Reply #122 on: May 12, 2010, 12:33:58 pm »
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My couple of observations of reality for Sestak supporters:

1) Momentum (I'm a little concerned that Sestak is peaking too early, fwiw)
2) Sealing the deal (A certain bit of the big movement will stick, more likely than not it would have happened anyway, but the polling says that Sestak's "made the offer".  Over the next few days, we'll know whether he can close the deal.  Recently, think of this as similar to what happened in Britain.)
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« Reply #123 on: May 12, 2010, 01:11:17 pm »
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Textbook example of J. J. dishonesty (even ignoring the fact that F&M is a garbage uni poll anyway.)

Considering he provied the link, he can't be "dishonest".......I think he just misread or just didn't caveat that it was registerd dems vs. likely dems.

Yes, I'd seen 38-29 cited as a headline number elsewhere, too.

Yeah it's an honest mistake.
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« Reply #124 on: May 12, 2010, 01:28:39 pm »
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My couple of observations of reality for Sestak supporters:

1) Momentum (I'm a little concerned that Sestak is peaking too early, fwiw)
2) Sealing the deal (A certain bit of the big movement will stick, more likely than not it would have happened anyway, but the polling says that Sestak's "made the offer".  Over the next few days, we'll know whether he can close the deal.  Recently, think of this as similar to what happened in Britain.)

The problem I can't get around is that these two candidates were not created equal. Specter is both the incumbent and one who was an opponent of the Democrats for 30+ years. Sestak is doctrinally sound and not well-known enough to have earned real enemies. Specter is relying on the votes of hundreds of thousands of people who voted against him in 2004. It's hard for me to see how he pulls it out. Speaking as a Democrat, there are precious few ways I could imagine Specter having "sealed the deal" with me or other Democrats when the only rationale, his comparative electability, has been seriously called into question.
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