US House Redistricting: Kansas

[Bacon King]

Yet another hideous map for this cycle...

What does that bring KS-01 down to?

Skimming through county results and doing a quick estimate, it looks to be about 60-65% McCain.

That is correct. You are one smart dude BK. 

much appreciated! (I missed this post back in August)

[JohnnyLongtorso]

4-0 can be done easily without a ridiculous state-length bacon strip.



KS-01 (blue) - 60.8 McCain, 37.5 Obama (Was 69-30 McCain).
KS-02 (green) - 54.4 McCain, 43.7 Obama (Was 55-43 McCain).
KS-03 (purple) - 54.5 McCain, 44.1 Obama (Was 51-48 Obama).
KS-04 (red) - 57.5 McCain, 40.7 Obama (Was 58-40 McCain).

[Vasall des Midas]

I would laugh out of court anyone who implied a map linking KC with the Colorado line does not include a "ridiculous state-length bacon strip".

[JohnnyLongtorso]

Three maps were introduced by a Republican state Senator. They all look pretty much the same, so I pulled this one from DKE:



Shockingly sane-looking.

[Vazdul (Formerly Chairman of the Communist Party of Ontario)]

Three maps were introduced by a Republican state Senator. They all look pretty much the same, so I pulled this one from DKE:



Shockingly sane-looking.

You mean they're not going to let Kansas City be outvoted by ten of thousands of square miles of dirt after all? Kansas may actually end up with a map that doesn't resemble something from out of the deepest, darkest corner of H. P. Lovecraft's imagination? I'm speechless.

[MilesC56]

Three maps were introduced by a Republican state Senator. They all look pretty much the same, so I pulled this one from DKE:



Shockingly sane-looking.

McCain/Obama

CD1: 67.2/31.0
CD2: 52.9/45.1
CD3: 49.8/48.9
CD4: 58.6/39.5

[jimrtex]

You mean they're not going to let Kansas City be outvoted by ten of thousands of square miles of dirt after all? Kansas may actually end up with a map that doesn't resemble something from out of the deepest, darkest corner of H. P. Lovecraft's imagination? I'm speechless.

Back when Kansas had 3 districts, one district did run east to west across the state.

[Vasall des Midas]

The early leaks didn't do the gerry plan any good, I think. Much of the West Kansas delegation was up in arms against it.
That said, too early to pop the champagne presumably?

[muon2]

Here's a version they could offer that is shaped much like the current CDs. With whole counties the maximum deviation is less than 900, and by shifting the townships in just two counties the maximum deviation is 28. McCain won by 3% in CD 2 and by 4% in CD 3. It works by shifting KC from CD3 to CD 3, but giving all of Lawrence to CD 3.

[krazen1211]

Hmm.

http://www.salina.com/news/story/Salina-second-district-2-16-12

[Vasall des Midas]

Ah, the House leadership hasn't given up on it yet then.

It's probably not long until the Kansas state lege GOP heads the Alaskan way, the way things are going.

The State Senate passed its map, 23-17. That's actually 15 Republicans and all 8 Democrats in the aye side...

[Vasall des Midas]

Two more ridiculous plans state house members have come up with...

I guess that's about what it takes to keep Manhattan in the 2nd district. Proposed by a Republican from just east of Manhattan.

What's this supposed to be? A Johnson-hating Democrat's wet dream? Proposed by a Wichita Democrat.

[MilesC56]

I really didn't think redistricting would be this hard here with only 4 districts and a GOP trifecta...

[BigSkyBob]

Two more ridiculous plans state house members have come up with...

I guess that's about what it takes to keep Manhattan in the 2nd district. Proposed by a Republican from just east of Manhattan.

What's this supposed to be? A Johnson-hating Democrat's wet dream? Proposed by a Wichita Democrat.

Antelope 1 is not "ridiculous." You just don't like it.

[Vasall des Midas]

It's not *particularly* ridiculous and I don't *particularly* dislike it.

[Vazdul (Formerly Chairman of the Communist Party of Ontario)]

Two more ridiculous plans state house members have come up with...

I guess that's about what it takes to keep Manhattan in the 2nd district. Proposed by a Republican from just east of Manhattan.

What's this supposed to be? A Johnson-hating Democrat's wet dream? Proposed by a Wichita Democrat.

Antelope 1 is not "ridiculous." You just don't like it.

It's far less ridiculous than any map that any map that puts Wyandotte and Morton Counties in the same district. I still prefer the Senate map, though.

[Vasall des Midas]

The Manhattan metro is split (as also under the current map - Junction City and Manhattan would be better off together. If someone believes they ought to be in the 2nd together, fine with me. Except it does require taking the 1st all the way to either the northeast or the southeast corner.) The Wichita metro is also split in that proposal, and that is new. Though it's not a very consequential split, slicing off one satellite-town-dominated county of 20k people.

Honestly, if you want to keep Manhattan out of a reasonably designed first district... go repopulate the High Plains.

[muon2]

The Manhattan metro is split (as also under the current map - Junction City and Manhattan would be better off together. If someone believes they ought to be in the 2nd together, fine with me. Except it does require taking the 1st all the way to either the northeast or the southeast corner.) The Wichita metro is also split in that proposal, and that is new. Though it's not a very consequential split, slicing off one satellite-town-dominated county of 20k people.

Honestly, if you want to keep Manhattan out of a reasonably designed first district... go repopulate the High Plains.

In my first map I kept Manhattan and Junction City together, but in CD 1. I can put them into CD 2 with KC and Topeka to make that district more compact. If I also make CD 4 more of a compact block, CD 1 runs to the SE corner. This version has a maximum deviation of 512 using only whole counties.

[Vasall des Midas]

Now you're splitting the KC Metro three ways (and that's just in Kansas).

[muon2]

Now you're splitting the KC Metro three ways (and that's just in Kansas).

Only if you are being technical. Linn County has a population of less than 10 K (9,656) and is entirely rural, but is listed in the KC metro area by the Census. If you want to include Linn in CD 3, then the only non-KC metro county to chop is Douglas, which is technically in its own metro area and not in the KC metro.

Do you really want Lawrence linked to western KS in CD 1? I can't put it in CD 2 in this version since by design this map is supposed to have Manhattan and Junction City in CD 2 in a reasonable district. Linn is rural as is SE KS and they are reasonable to link with the rural west.

[Vasall des Midas]

Hence the devil.

[muon2]

If I were the Dems I would argue for a map based on IA rules. The districts should be of whole counties and measure compactness as the difference of the NS and EW distances. KS already tries to split as few counties as possible, so why not go all the way in terms of state policy. The compactness measure would weigh against long EW districts. Then they could offer the following map that has a smaller mean deviation than IA for its four districts (19.75 vs 29.25).



CD 1: dev -22
CD 2: dev +3
CD 3: dev +37
CD 4: dev -17

CD 2 of course is a competitive district where Obama won 50.8% to 47.3%.

[I'm JewCon in name only.]

1st: (White) McCain 65% ; Obama 32%
2nd: (Green) McCain 55% ; Obama 43%
3rd: (Purple) McCain 49.8% ; Obama 48.8%
4th: (Blue) McCain 57% ; Obama 40%

[Vasall des Midas]

The House redistricting committee has passed a map, by a vote of 11-11 with a tiebreaking vote in favor by the Speaker.

Guess what it looks like.



That's right, they not only moved Wyandotte (almost all of it rather than all, apparently - I read comments that it's "split") all the way to the first but Manhattan as well.
On the plus side their fourth is actually minimum change.

[MilesC56]

So what are the odds that this map passes the full House, or even the Senate?