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« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2011, 05:28:21 pm »
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« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2011, 05:58:58 pm »
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Can anyone name a signature accomplishment by Kohl?

Yeah, exactly. Ever since I started seriously following politics, I thought he was the perfect example of a do nothing Senator. Then, of course, you get the standard "He does a lot of work in committee" excuse.  Tongue


So, is there any truth in these rumors?

I've been trying to find confirmation but nothing yet. I'm guessing it's just insider word right now.
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« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2011, 06:31:26 pm »
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If this is true, Feingold would romp in the primary. I doubt any other top tier candidates would be willing to give up comfy seats or jobs to have a risky challenge against the Progressive Hero who would surely be able to raise much more money, who would have better name recognition and who would have a rock solid base.

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« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2011, 07:55:42 pm »
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Thompson is going to run, and beat Fiengold by 36 points. Watch, its going to happen.
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« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2011, 08:07:05 pm »
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Who was the other guy who ran in the GOP primary last year? He may be an option.
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« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2011, 08:16:13 pm »
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Who was the other guy who ran in the GOP primary last year? He may be an option.

There was David Westlake and Terrence Wall.
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« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2011, 09:06:15 pm »
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There is a strong enough bench of Republican candidates in Wisconsin to ensure a competitive race even if Thompson and Ryan don't run. It's not a good sign if 2 Dems and Lieberman have already announced their retirement if this story is true.
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« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2011, 10:00:34 pm »
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Ron Kind would be my pick, seeing as how Feingold has no ability to hold down a seat.

And risk losing yet another House seat?  Democrats need to hold as many seats as possible in the House to at the very least get back over 200. 
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« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2011, 10:18:44 pm »
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Ron Kind would be my pick, seeing as how Feingold has no ability to hold down a seat.

And risk losing yet another House seat?  Democrats need to hold as many seats as possible in the House to at the very least get back over 200. 

WI-03 is either going to become a fairly safe district (because they'll dump the Dem-friendly parts of WI-07 into it to help out Duffy) or a Republican one (if you believe Torie and his OCD map-making).
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« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2011, 10:22:08 pm »
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Wow, we can get both Feingold and Alan Grayson back!
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« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2011, 10:35:13 pm »
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Wow, we can get both Feingold and Alan Grayson back!

Where in the name of God did he come from?
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« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2011, 10:43:22 pm »
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I don't get why people seem to think Feingold would be such a great pick as a candidate. Let's review 2010: He entered the race with a huge lead, faced someone with zero name recognition who is alligned closely with the Tea Party, in a state that voted for Obama by double-digits just 2 years before. He completely blew his lead, and by election day, the race wasn't even that close, as Johnson won by several percentage points and had moderate leads in the polls.
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« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2011, 10:51:03 pm »
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Well he can get re-elected when Obama destroys Sarah Palin in Wisconsin.
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Well he can get re-elected when Obama destroys Sarah Palin in Wisconsin.
Sarah Palin will not be the Republican Nominee.
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« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2011, 11:04:47 pm »
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Well he can get re-elected when Obama destroys Sarah Palin in Wisconsin.
Sarah Palin will not be the Republican Nominee.

Just like Mike Castle wasn't going to lose to O'Donnell. I suspect she won't, but in the wake of the idiocy of some primary voters, I wouldn't rule it out.
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« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2011, 11:12:54 pm »
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Red, the joke would only be on the Democratic Party if they even remotely consider nominating Alan Grayson, for anything, ever again. Ever. The dude is objectively an asshole.
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Well he can get re-elected when Obama destroys Sarah Palin in Wisconsin.
Sarah Palin will not be the Republican Nominee.

Just like Mike Castle wasn't going to lose to O'Donnell. I suspect she won't, but in the wake of the idiocy of some primary voters, I wouldn't rule it out.

Please don't apply what happened in one state (or a few states) in one year to a Presidential race in another year.

I'm a big believer in "almost anything can happen" in this game so I won't say that Palin definitely won't be the nominee but it isn't likely and for BRTD to assume she already is the nominee is asinine.
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The new law in Florida means they can't draw the Orlando area anymore without any Democratic districts. A new Democratic seat based in Orlando means ALAN GRAYSON can win. RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON RUSS FEINGOLD ALAN GRAYSON!

Please don't ever compare those two again...ever!  During his time in office, Feingold was one of the most independent-minded, ethical, and fearless members of Congress (not to mention, a progressive champion and a Democrat with a spine).  Alan Grayson is simply a Democratic version of Bachmann.  It's really a big insult to Feingold to compare him to Grayson.  Also, there is no reason to think Grayson will win Orlando's new Democratic seat (thankfully).

And that's a gross insult of Grayson to compare hyperbole over the GOP's lack of a substantive alternative health care plan and splicing a quote for campaign commercial excusing an extreme fundy social conservative of being an extreme social fundy conservative with "Ms. 1000 yard stare" herself.

But either way, I still say Grayson and Feingold are both overrated. Tongue
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« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2011, 12:08:52 am »
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Paul Ryan has too much important work to do, to be deflected by running for the Senate. He may well the most influential man in the House at this point, and I mean that. He is going to drive the debate on where we go from here on fiscal issues, and that is what he needs to do. Ryan is around to do something, not be somebody, and that is one reason why I admire him.
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« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2011, 03:51:23 pm »
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Please don't ever compare those two again...ever!  During his time in office, Feingold was one of the most independent-minded, ethical, and fearless members of Congress (not to mention, a progressive champion and a Democrat with a spine).  Alan Grayson is simply a Democratic version of Bachmann.  It's really a big insult to Feingold to compare him to Grayson.  Also, there is no reason to think Grayson will win Orlando's new Democratic seat (thankfully).

And that's a gross insult of Grayson to compare hyperbole over the GOP's lack of a substantive alternative health care plan and splicing a quote for campaign commercial excusing an extreme fundy social conservative of being an extreme social fundy conservative with "Ms. 1000 yard stare" herself.

But either way, I still say Grayson and Feingold are both overrated. Tongue

First off, Grayson's ad essentially accused Webster of being a misogynist and equated him with the Taliban (unless there is some legitimate basis for such a claim, which there wasn't, that's not okay period, as far as I'm concerned).  Grayson may not be quite as bad as Bachmann, but they are cut from the same cloth.  They are both examples of the polarization, smears, and demonization of those with differing viewpoints that has polluted American politics for the past decade (especially since Obama was elected).  I'll be the first to argue that the Republicans deserve something like 70-80% of the blame for this (and probably more during Obama's presidency), but the fact is that there are some extremists on my side too (though few, if any are as bad as the tea party).  The extremists that exist on my side (that is, those that are liberal Democrats) need to be called out too.  Alan Grayson and Michele Bachmann are both examples of the same problem, which is why all of the Grayson apologists who defend him while criticizing Bachmann can be so frustrating.   
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« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2011, 07:25:39 pm »
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Please don't ever compare those two again...ever!  During his time in office, Feingold was one of the most independent-minded, ethical, and fearless members of Congress (not to mention, a progressive champion and a Democrat with a spine).  Alan Grayson is simply a Democratic version of Bachmann.  It's really a big insult to Feingold to compare him to Grayson.  Also, there is no reason to think Grayson will win Orlando's new Democratic seat (thankfully).

And that's a gross insult of Grayson to compare hyperbole over the GOP's lack of a substantive alternative health care plan and splicing a quote for campaign commercial excusing an extreme fundy social conservative of being an extreme social fundy conservative with "Ms. 1000 yard stare" herself.

But either way, I still say Grayson and Feingold are both overrated. Tongue

First off, Grayson's ad essentially accused Webster of being a misogynist and equated him with the Taliban (unless there is some legitimate basis for such a claim, which there wasn't, that's not okay period, as far as I'm concerned).  Grayson may not be quite as bad as Bachmann, but they are cut from the same cloth.  They are both examples of the polarization, smears, and demonization of those with differing viewpoints that has polluted American politics for the past decade (especially since Obama was elected).  I'll be the first to argue that the Republicans deserve something like 70-80% of the blame for this (and probably more during Obama's presidency), but the fact is that there are some extremists on my side too (though few, if any are as bad as the tea party).  The extremists that exist on my side (that is, those that are liberal Democrats) need to be called out too.  Alan Grayson and Michele Bachmann are both examples of the same problem, which is why all of the Grayson apologists who defend him while criticizing Bachmann can be so frustrating.  

Webster's voting record on social issues was extreme even by southern standards. There's little more misogynistic than proposing a "covenant marriage" as Webster did that would essentially eliminate almost every legal grounds for marriage including domestic violence. The fact that such a marriage could only be entered into "voluntarily" so it might only apply to women pressured by their families or fiances (abusers tend to be emotionally dominating types demanding absolute compliance with their wishes) is hardly any comfort or excuse to any legislator who thinks that having your husband kicking your teeth out isn't sufficient grounds "in the eyes of God" for the sin of divorce.

No, Webster isn't literally about to go to Kandahar and fire RPG's at US forces, but his social views such as his proposed law above, and many like it, are reminiscent of Taliban style Sharia law. The fact he bases it on a fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible instead of the Koran shouldn't matter if the end result is the same.

Again, I'm not defending Grayson overall--he's vastly overrated and couldn't control his rhetoric. But I balk heavily at saying just because Grayson is arguably "the worst" among Democrats for irresponsible statements, and Bachmann is (among) the worst for Republicans saying stupid crazy things they believe, somehow means they're both "equal". And, while you're not falling for it, I'm tired of too many people taking the intellectually lazy way out of saying "they're all just as bad as the other". That's like saying the Seahawks (7-9) and the Steelers (soon to be 7 time Super Bowl Champs Wink) are comparably good team because they both finished first in their division.

The end result being that everytime Beck says something utterly insane on his show, or Louis Gohmert or Bachmann, or one of a hundred other nuts on that side of the aisle says something cringingly stupid and off the wall, no matter how bad it is liberal commentators and congressmembers suffer just as bad as conservatives because of the constant refrain "Their all just the same. They're all just as bad".
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« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2011, 10:22:07 pm »
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Other than the domestic violence part, I 100% support that covenant marriage bill.
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