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Franzl
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #750 on:
May 19, 2012, 10:20:40 am »
Quote from: italianboy8 on May 19, 2012, 10:07:55 am
Quote from: Minion of Midas on May 19, 2012, 10:05:42 am
That image does show Northern Italy as a low evasion zone.
Of course, whoever counted? Whoever defined evasion? Heck, whoever claimed Germany was a low tax evasion country?
If you look at the bottom,it shows how the amount of money evaded in the North is larger than that of the rest of Italy combined...
That's a rather dishonest way of comparing, you know.
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #751 on:
May 19, 2012, 10:29:26 am »
Quote from: italianboy8 on May 19, 2012, 10:07:55 am
Quote from: Minion of Midas on May 19, 2012, 10:05:42 am
That image does show Northern Italy as a low evasion zone.
Of course, whoever counted? Whoever defined evasion? Heck, whoever claimed Germany was a low tax evasion country?
If you look at the bottom,it shows how the amount of money evaded in the North is larger than that of the rest of Italy combined...
The text at the bottom seems to claim something completely different than the map does.
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #752 on:
May 19, 2012, 10:34:24 am »
Well, the south evades more, but the South is way poorer than the North.
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Roma Caput Mundi
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #753 on:
May 19, 2012, 10:34:42 am »
Quote from: Franzl on May 19, 2012, 10:20:40 am
Quote from: italianboy8 on May 19, 2012, 10:07:55 am
Quote from: Minion of Midas on May 19, 2012, 10:05:42 am
That image does show Northern Italy as a low evasion zone.
Of course, whoever counted? Whoever defined evasion? Heck, whoever claimed Germany was a low tax evasion country?
If you look at the bottom,it shows how the amount of money evaded in the North is larger than that of the rest of Italy combined...
That's a rather dishonest way of comparing, you know.
It would be if I were trying to prove that the evasion in the South is lower.
All I am trying to say is that the North is no paradise.
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Keystone Phil
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #754 on:
May 19, 2012, 06:55:25 pm »
The South is persecuted once again.
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Quote from: Representative Wyodon on May 06, 2013, 04:31:05 pm
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Nathan
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #755 on:
May 19, 2012, 06:58:15 pm »
Quote from: Keystone Phil on May 19, 2012, 06:55:25 pm
The South is persecuted once again.
Phil, what are your thoughts on Giuseppe Garibaldi?
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Keystone Phil
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #756 on:
May 19, 2012, 07:49:46 pm »
Quote from: Nathan on May 19, 2012, 06:58:15 pm
Quote from: Keystone Phil on May 19, 2012, 06:55:25 pm
The South is persecuted once again.
Phil, what are your thoughts on Giuseppe Garibaldi?
Love him, of course. I'm proud of my southern roots and don't like when others beat up on the South but I obviously support Italian nationalism.
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Quote from: Representative Wyodon on May 06, 2013, 04:31:05 pm
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Nathan
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #757 on:
May 19, 2012, 10:38:22 pm »
Quote from: Keystone Phil on May 19, 2012, 07:49:46 pm
Quote from: Nathan on May 19, 2012, 06:58:15 pm
Quote from: Keystone Phil on May 19, 2012, 06:55:25 pm
The South is persecuted once again.
Phil, what are your thoughts on Giuseppe Garibaldi?
Love him, of course. I'm proud of my southern roots and don't like when others beat up on the South but I obviously support Italian nationalism.
Same here. I have ancestors from the Two Sicilies and ancestors from Milan and I'm proud of my roots with both sets, for some similar and some different reasons.
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Quote from: Averroës Nix on October 18, 2012, 07:59:32 pm
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Quote from: Joe Republic on April 25, 2013, 03:29:18 pm
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Landslide Lyndon
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #758 on:
May 20, 2012, 06:23:57 am »
Four new polls out today. Two of them show SYRIZA ahead and the other two ND. PASOK is on the rise too, the smaller parties fade. This is going to be a polarizing election.
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #759 on:
May 20, 2012, 06:30:42 am »
Quote from: Landslide Lyndon on May 20, 2012, 06:23:57 am
Four new polls out today. Two of them show SYRIZA ahead and the other two ND. PASOK is on the rise too, the smaller parties fade. This is going to be a polarizing election.
Oh! May we ask for full poll results?
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #760 on:
May 20, 2012, 10:43:48 am »
And Public Issue's poll:
SYRIZA 28%
ΝD 24%
PASOK 15%
ΑNEL 8%
DIMAR 7%
KKE 5%
XA 4,5
DIMIOURGIA XANA 3%
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #761 on:
May 20, 2012, 10:51:07 am »
Greece increasingly reminds me of that guy in that Scary Movie clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rMpCud1IwQ
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #762 on:
May 20, 2012, 11:37:24 am »
Quote from: Landslide Lyndon on May 20, 2012, 06:23:57 am
Four new polls out today. Two of them show SYRIZA ahead and the other two ND. PASOK is on the rise too, the smaller parties fade. This is going to be a polarizing election.
Good. This, actually, might give Greece a government.
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argentarius
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #763 on:
May 20, 2012, 11:45:59 am »
How are LAOS doing?
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Antonio V
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #764 on:
May 20, 2012, 11:49:44 am »
What is dimiourga xana ?
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #765 on:
May 20, 2012, 11:55:28 am »
Quote from: politicus on May 20, 2012, 11:54:09 am
Quote from: Au revoir Nicolas ! on May 20, 2012, 11:49:44 am
What is dimiourga xana ?
Nazis
Goddamnit, another nazi party ? *__*
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Truer today than it was yesterday.
"A good portion of this country has created an alternate universe. I call this place were these folks live Bullsh*t Mountain. The denizens of Bullsh*t Mountain believe many things: they believe that a Kenyan Muslim President has fundamentally changed the relationship between government and the people of this country."
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Old Europe
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #766 on:
May 20, 2012, 12:16:47 pm »
^^
According to Wikipedia, Dimiourgia Xana ("Recreate Greece") is a pro-European centre-right party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recreate_Greece
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #767 on:
May 20, 2012, 12:22:01 pm »
Quote from: Au revoir Nicolas ! on May 20, 2012, 11:49:44 am
What is dimiourga xana ?
A Neo-liberal party. It was founded recently by a businessman. You won't like it a bit.
Quote from: argentarius on May 20, 2012, 11:45:59 am
How are LAOS doing?
Terribly.
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TheDeadFlagBlues
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #768 on:
May 20, 2012, 12:25:53 pm »
Do you think that the neo-liberals will coalesce behind one party? DISY and DRASI haven't been registering support in the last few polls while Recreate Greece is performing slightly better than their electoral support, which was a clear over-performance considering they were founded a few months ago.
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Re: Greece 2012
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May 20, 2012, 12:32:49 pm »
Quote from: TheDeadFlagBlues on May 20, 2012, 12:25:53 pm
Do you think that the neo-liberals will coalesce behind one party? DISY and DRASI haven't been registering support in the last few polls while Recreate Greece is performing slightly better than their electoral support, which was a clear over-performance considering they were founded a few months ago.
Conservatives are already coalescing behind ND to stop SYRIZA. DISY's president Dora Bakoyianni is close to a deal with Samaras and DRASI will probably abstain from this election.
LAOS, ANEL and XA have also seen their numbers come down sharply as their voters are simply terrified after what they have seen and heard till now by the members of SYRIZA.
PASOK is also registering a slight uptick, probably old voters who stayed out on May 6 or voted for SYRIZA, DIMAR and KKE.
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #770 on:
May 20, 2012, 12:45:59 pm »
Let's hope for a SYRIZA-ANEL-DIMAR coalition. SYRIZA-DIMAR seems unlikely at this point, but either way, it be the perfect middle finger to Merkel (let's hope Hollande sides with Greece if this government is the case.)
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #771 on:
May 20, 2012, 12:51:51 pm »
Quote from: Peternerdman on May 20, 2012, 12:45:59 pm
Let's hope for a SYRIZA-ANEL-DIMAR coalition. SYRIZA-DIMAR seems unlikely at this point, but either way, it be the perfect middle finger to Merkel (let's hope Hollande sides with Greece if this government is the case.)
Yes for the Greeks to hang themselves is the best way to spite Merkel.
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Χahar
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #772 on:
May 20, 2012, 02:02:38 pm »
I'm sure ANEL support is also going to SYRIZA, given their closeness to the bonus.
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #773 on:
May 20, 2012, 02:06:08 pm »
Quote from: ingemann on May 20, 2012, 12:51:51 pm
Quote from: Peternerdman on May 20, 2012, 12:45:59 pm
Let's hope for a SYRIZA-ANEL-DIMAR coalition. SYRIZA-DIMAR seems unlikely at this point, but either way, it be the perfect middle finger to Merkel (let's hope Hollande sides with Greece if this government is the case.)
Yes for the Greeks to hang themselves is the best way to spite Merkel.
^^^^^
Really, voting out of 'spite' is about the worst thing that Greeks can do at this point.
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Re: Greece 2012
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Reply #774 on:
May 20, 2012, 02:07:42 pm »
Quote from: ingemann on May 20, 2012, 12:51:51 pm
Quote from: Peternerdman on May 20, 2012, 12:45:59 pm
Let's hope for a SYRIZA-ANEL-DIMAR coalition. SYRIZA-DIMAR seems unlikely at this point, but either way, it be the perfect middle finger to Merkel (let's hope Hollande sides with Greece if this government is the case.)
Yes for the Greeks to hang themselves is the best way to spite Merkel.
I don't want to intervene in this debate... but I'll hang my colours to the mast with this. As much as telling Merkie to go f- herself would be fun, the results would be terrible for Greece and for Europe as a whole.
If I were Greek, I'd probably hold my nose and vote ND at this point. They're a terrible party, but I'm not one to join on Tsipras' bandwagon. That guy is a tool and/or moron.
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