Italy Local Elections May 2012

[Roma Caput Mundi]

5 Stelle?

Doesn't they usually come last in elections, with small results?

Meh, I guess people are so pissed off that they are ready to go for the crazies. Beppe Grillo is an idiot and a scumbag (who said, among other things, that the government is worse than mafia because "mafia doesn't kill people[sic]"). But well, at least we don't have self-defined nazis so far.

Yeah. Guess most PdL ex-voters went for the 5 Stelle this time.

Probably some Lega votes in the North too: those who finally discovered that Lega was more interested in Rosy Mauro's diamonds and didn't have anything else to vote for.

5 Stelle got their first mayor in a little municipalities near Vicenza.

Definitely.
It's interesting how 5 Stelle improved dramatically with a fall in turnout.
Means they're not really attracting people who don't like the Italian system,but rather former voters of other parties.

[Keystone Phil]

For a party that was about to perform so terribly and assumed to be very unpopular, recent polling nationwide shows PdL only down about six points. In fact, the most recent poll - released May 3rd - has them down by only two points. Of the four most recent polls released in late April, two had them down five and the other two had them down six. I assume it will get worse with the narrative being "PdL collapses!" but I expected worse.

[Californian Tony]

For a party that was about to perform so terribly and assumed to be very unpopular, recent polling nationwide shows PdL only down about six points. In fact, the most recent poll - released May 3rd - has them down by only two points. Of the four most recent polls released in late April, two had them down five and the other two had them down six. I assume it will get worse with the narrative being "PdL collapses!" but I expected worse.

There was certainly some demobilization of right-wing voters, people who will nonetheless vote in parliamentary elections next year. Obviously, the right isn't "disappearing" as some have suggested.

[Andrea]

Look at the list vote in Palermo. LOL at the extent of vote splitting

[Keystone Phil]

I'm a fan of the guy that basically runs FLI's youth movement on Facebook. He just posted a status about Terzo Polo being dead. Did something big happen in the wake of the elections?

[Insula Dei]

Link for full results anyone?

EDIT: Nevermind: 

http://www.corriere.it/Speciali/Politica/2010/elezioni10/SEAS/amministrative/comunali/20100328000000_2_ITALIA_IT.shtml

Don't understand how it's supposed to be used, though. I can't seem to get complete results for, for example, Genova or Lecce out of it, but only partial results for subdevisions of those.

EDIT2: http://www.corriere.it/Speciali/Politica/2012/elezioni12/SEAS/amministrative/comunali/20120506000000_2_REGIONE_16.shtml

[Roma Caput Mundi]

I'm a fan of the guy that basically runs FLI's youth movement on Facebook. He just posted a status about Terzo Polo being dead. Did something big happen in the wake of the elections?

Casini declared on Twitter that the Terzo Polo is dead; it was useful for the immediate post-Berlusconi but now there is gonna be a new project.

[Peter the Lefty]

This is a bit off-topic.  How are things going with the probe against Vendola for the health care scandal?  Does public opinion seem to be that he's guilty or that he's innocent? 

[Keystone Phil]

Care to elaborate on the scandal?

[Roma Caput Mundi]

Absolutely no effect.

[Peter the Lefty]

Care to elaborate on the scandal?

He's being probed because he hired Paolo Sardelli as a local chief of surgeons at a hospital after firing Lea Consentino (she had been arrested and investigated over graft allegations).  She claims he did it because Sardelli was his friend.

[Californian Tony]

Just watching a talk show on La7.

Yep, Grillo is a despicable asshole and grillist are stupid nutjobs.

[Andrea]

After something like 3 days of counting, Catanzaro has been held by PdL Mayor without the need of a run off (50.08% with centre-left at 42.59%). Local PD is protesting against alleged misconduct during the count in some polling stations.

[Roma Caput Mundi]

After something like 3 days of counting, Catanzaro has been held by PdL Mayor without the need of a run off (50.08% with centre-left at 42.59%). Local PD is protesting against alleged misconduct during the count in some polling stations.

More than alleged...it's been a blatant theft.

[Californian Tony]

New general election poll gives M5S 9% of the votes. PdL, Lega and to a lesser extent PD support dwindle. Abstention to a record high at 40%.

By 2013 we'll be like Greece politically.

[Keystone Phil]

Surprised that PdL still trails by only five to six points.

[Hashemite]

Surprised that PdL still trails by only five to six points.

Silver lining to the fact that the PdL is polling like 19-22%?

[DL]

Surprised that PdL still trails by only five to six points.

It makes sense to me that PdL would get a slight "dead cat bounce" now that they are no longer led by a rapist of child prostitutes like Berlusconi.

[Keystone Phil]

Surprised that PdL still trails by only five to six points.

Silver lining to the fact that the PdL is polling like 19-22%?

I know the Left has sucked over the past few cycles but their 26% is way down from their usual, too.

By 2013 we'll be like Greece politically.

"We?"

[Californian Tony]

Surprised that PdL still trails by only five to six points.

Silver lining to the fact that the PdL is polling like 19-22%?

I know the Left has sucked over the past few cycles but their 26% is way down from their usual, too.

PD is at 26%, but if you add SEL and IdV the result is still decent (though far from great).

By 2013 we'll be like Greece politically.

"We?"

Italy.

[Keystone Phil]

By 2013 we'll be like Greece politically.

"We?"

Italy.

Right...and you live in France and identify as French.   I'm American and follow this stuff but I wouldn't say "we."

[Californian Tony]

By 2013 we'll be like Greece politically.

"We?"

Italy.

Right...and you live in France and identify as French.   I'm American and follow this stuff but I wouldn't say "we."

I don't know about you, but I've got Italian nationality and I do vote in Italian elections, so I consider myself as a full italian citizen.

[Keystone Phil]

By 2013 we'll be like Greece politically.

"We?"

Italy.

Right...and you live in France and identify as French.   I'm American and follow this stuff but I wouldn't say "we."

so I consider myself as a full italian citizen.

Yeah, when elections roll around.

For the record, I've always been vocally supportive of dual citizenship so don't think that I'm taking a shot at that.

[Californian Tony]

By 2013 we'll be like Greece politically.

"We?"

Italy.

Right...and you live in France and identify as French.   I'm American and follow this stuff but I wouldn't say "we."

so I consider myself as a full italian citizen.

Yeah, when elections roll around.

For the record, I've always been vocally supportive of dual citizenship so don't think that I'm taking a shot at that.

Is dual citizenship illegal for US citizens ? If it is, that's a shame.

[Keystone Phil]

By 2013 we'll be like Greece politically.

"We?"

Italy.

Right...and you live in France and identify as French.   I'm American and follow this stuff but I wouldn't say "we."

so I consider myself as a full italian citizen.

Yeah, when elections roll around.

For the record, I've always been vocally supportive of dual citizenship so don't think that I'm taking a shot at that.

Is dual citizenship illegal for US citizens ? If it is, that's a shame.

No, it's not. I wasn't implying that it is.