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Landslide Lyndon
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2016 is just around the corner!
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/welcome-to-the-sweet-2016/2012/03/19/gIQAhd8bNS_blog.html
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Re: 2016 is just around the corner!
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March 19, 2012, 05:49:14 pm »
Dems:
Cuomo (By default, he's the press core's favorite, though Schweitzer is probably number two)
Warren (Again, by default, neither is particularly likely)
Gillibrand (Not a heavyweight competition)
O'Malley (Interesting, I struggled, but picked O'Malley)
GOP:
Rubio (The Paul wing isn't strong enough)
Bush (I hesitated. Jindal's star power has clearly faded, so Bush gets the win. Neither is likely)
McDonnell (Relatively easy choice; Portman will be running for re-election)
Christie (Another easy choice)
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March 19, 2012, 06:34:47 pm »
lol mark warner
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Old Europe
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Too much imagination there. It'll be Biden vs. Santorum and Santorum's gonna win.
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Is the Dem bench really THAT weak???
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Re: 2016 is just around the corner!
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Schweitzer vs Cuomo: Its Schweitzer. Cuomo is still a popular and likely choice, but Schweitzer is a moderate Democrat, and popular governor of a Republican state.
Warner vs Warren: Warren, without a doubt. Warner is a dried up moderate hero and vastly overrated.
Gillibrand vs Patrick: Easy one for Gillibrand.
Clinton vs O'Malley: If Clinton runs, then I say she wins this one. But its a pretty hard choice.
Rubio vs Paul: I am going to say Paul--Rubio is unlikely to run anyway since he has to be reelected to the Senate. Paul is slightly more moderate compared to Papa Paul and can win over GOP voters better.
Bush vs Jindal: Both are "has beens". Jindal, narrowly, because he is younger and has not been out of politics for 10 years, like Bush will be in 2016.
Christie vs Martinez: The fat man wins handily.
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Re: 2016 is just around the corner!
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Quote from: General Buck Turgidson on March 19, 2012, 06:45:36 pm
Too much imagination there. It'll be Biden vs. Santorum and Santorum's gonna win.
Biden will be 74 and is gaffe-prone. I doubt he'll even run, but if he does he won't get through the primary.
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March 20, 2012, 05:49:51 pm »
Dems:
Cuomo: Press fav but cannot be nominated because the base won't accept a union-neutering New Democrat.
O'Malley: All but certain.
Schweitzer: Could be the consensus candidate if he's interested.
GOP:
Bush: Not happening. Need not explain why.
Christie: Champion of the Northeast moderate wing.
Jindal: Fusionist Southern conservative.
McDonnell: Depends if a) he's nominated/elected Veep b) runs against Warner in '14.
Class of '10: Doubtful any of them will run. If so, it won't be Rubio.
Ryan: Maybe, maybe not. Doubtful he and Jindal would run against each other given that they're politically identical apart from their regional base.
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Quote from: useful idiot on March 19, 2012, 06:55:36 pm
Is the Dem bench really THAT weak???
You think Schweitzer and Cuomo constitute a weak bench? Hilarious.
I'd say both sides have fantastic benches.
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Quote from: Nagas on March 20, 2012, 05:56:30 pm
Quote from: useful idiot on March 19, 2012, 06:55:36 pm
Is the Dem bench really THAT weak???
You think Schweitzer and Cuomo constitute a weak bench? Hilarious.
I'd say both sides have fantastic benches.
Cuomo is the worst choice for Democrats
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Quote from: Nagas on March 20, 2012, 05:56:30 pm
Quote from: useful idiot on March 19, 2012, 06:55:36 pm
Is the Dem bench really THAT weak???
You think Schweitzer and Cuomo constitute a weak bench? Hilarious.
I'd say both sides have fantastic benches.
I don't understand why Cuomo is considered viable. He's uninteresting (even if animated), his accent is obnoxious, and he's divorced and living with a TV personality. As for Schweitzer, he's a white version of Bill Richardson.
Hillary is the only Dem on that list with any star power and she'll be 69 at the next election.
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Landslide Lyndon
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Quote from: useful idiot on March 21, 2012, 03:00:19 pm
Quote from: Nagas on March 20, 2012, 05:56:30 pm
Quote from: useful idiot on March 19, 2012, 06:55:36 pm
Is the Dem bench really THAT weak???
You think Schweitzer and Cuomo constitute a weak bench? Hilarious.
I'd say both sides have fantastic benches.
I don't understand why Cuomo is considered viable. He's uninteresting (even if animated), his accent is obnoxious, and he's divorced and living with a TV personality. As for Schweitzer, he's a white version of Bill Richardson.
Hillary is the only Dem on that list with any star power and she'll be 69 at the next election.
Cuomo might be uncharismatic and obnoxious but he is the uber-popular governor of the 3rd biggest state in the union and will certainly have the ability to raise a boatload of money.
Your comparison of Schweitzer with Richardson is incomprehensible. Schweitzer is much more charismatic and folksy while being no slouch when it comes to policy. It's no coincidence that he is a netroots darling despite his moderate record. If he manages to raise the necessary funds and get his name out there then he will be a force in the Democratic primary.
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Re: 2016 is just around the corner!
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March 21, 2012, 04:41:33 pm »
Dems:
Schweitzer
Warren
Gillibrand
Clinton
GOP:
Rubio
Bush
McDonnell
Christie
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Re: 2016 is just around the corner!
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March 21, 2012, 09:24:05 pm »
The current count from WashPost.com readers is
Cuomo 84 - Schweitzer 16
Clinton 55 - O'Malley 45
Warner 72 - Warren 28
Gillibrand 54 - Patrick 46
Rubio 68 - Paul 32
Bush 60 - Jindal 40
McDonnell 70 - Portman 30
Christie 84 - Martinez 16
I'm detecting a slight Mid-Atlantic/East Coast bias from these WashPost.com readers.
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Re: 2016 is just around the corner!
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Quote from: General Buck Turgidson on March 19, 2012, 06:45:36 pm
Too much imagination there. It'll be Biden vs. Santorum and Santorum's gonna win.
And you have too little. Rubio is up for election in 2016 and Biden will be 74.
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Paul is also up for reelection that year. I doubt either one will run in 2016.
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Quote from: Earthling on March 22, 2012, 04:48:28 am
Paul is also up for reelection that year. I doubt either one will run in 2016.
Paul will not face a serious challenge. Rubio might have Charlie Crist, Lois Frankel, or Debbie Schultz to deal with.
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March 23, 2012, 01:02:53 pm »
Maybe, but that doesn't say that he will run in 2016. He needs to show he is his own man, and not just his father's son. Six years might not be enough to do that.
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March 27, 2012, 04:46:54 pm »
Cuoma and McDonnell are my picks for 2016.
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March 27, 2012, 06:06:32 pm »
An Obama win = Slim chance for moderates, the base is going to demand someone to the left of Obama economically as inequality despite anything Obama will or won't do is going to become a much bigger issue and the demographic trends will only aide this, Hilary's big name will give her a shot, but any other moderate would be extremely unlikely.
An Obama loss = Based off Romney's reverse robin hood agenda the Democratic base will be in a 2004/2006 x 2 like mood only their anger will be centered in economic, not foreign policy. Moderates odds will go from slim to zero again with Hilary as an exception again because of her name and because she's perceived by the base as a fighter.
With all that said I don't see Hilary running, the Democrat candidate in 2012 will be Fiengold, Warren or O'Malley with Patrick as a long shot.
Cuomo will be painted as a corporate/wall street tool and be completely destroyed
And anyone who thinks Mark Warner has a prayer has never seen a video of him, his voice sounds like sh**t and in this day and age with the media and internet what it is that makes you
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