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« on: May 08, 2012, 05:00:28 am »
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Holocaust denial
Racist slurs
Homophobic slurs
Slurs against any particular religion (such as "Jews control the world!!!!" or "All Muslims hate America!!!!")
Advocating mass murder or genocide
Threatening another poster with violence
Petty insults ("You're a ****ing moron!")
Posting pornography
Spamming/Flooding
Having one or more sock accounts
Posting graphic images such as those of Gaddafi just before he was killed
Re-posting memes from other websites


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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2012, 05:26:19 am »
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Racist slurs
Homophobic slurs
Slurs against any particular religion (such as "Jews control the world!!!!" or "All Muslims hate America!!!!")
Advocating mass murder or genocide
Threatening another poster with violence
Posting pornography
Spamming/Flooding
Having one or more sock accounts
Posting graphic images such as those of Gaddafi just before he was killed

All of these.

Holocaust denial is off because the person is likely a troll, so they'll be banned anyway. I left threatening another poster with violence on there, but only as long as the threat is credible.
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2012, 09:50:24 am »
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Any SERIOUS post that advocates violence against somebody or a group of people.
Spamming/Flooding
Pornography (like actual porn, not that PG rated crap we got in the "hot girls" or "hot guys" threads)
Graphic images

The first one, the whole bit about violence, I believe is self-explanatory.  I mean really, I don't think it makes any sense to keep a poster on here if they show a tendency to throw death threats at people.

Spamming/Flooding is just a downright hateful action with little to no regard to individual persons.  Sure, slurs are real hurtful but they aren't an all out assault on sanity like a poster who outright spams the Atlas.

Pornography..........like violence this is a no brainer.  I mean really, there will probably be elementary or middle school kids looking at this site.  Hell, some public school teachers might even be looking at it.  The last thing we need is for this forum to become "Politics and OMG HOT TITS!"  In my mind, the "Hot Girls" and "Hot Guys" threads are enough to tide the casual user on here over.  You want hardcore sex?  You want naked boobies?  Well then go to freeones.com, don't bring it on here.

Graphic images (ie, stuff you would see in a hard "R" rated movie), this is a political discussion forum, not a Rambo forum.  If you really feel it is relevant to the discussion then put a disclaimer up and a link, don't directly post it onto the website as an image.

In my mind these four should probably be bannable offenses.
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2012, 01:09:04 am »
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The above mentioned, plus having a sock.


Wait, are we asking what would be bannable in a dead0man ran forum (how I answered), or the Dave Liep ran forum we all enjoy (in which case it doesn't matter what I think)?
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2012, 05:19:07 am »
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The above mentioned, plus having a sock.


Wait, are we asking what would be bannable in a dead0man ran forum (how I answered), or the Dave Liep ran forum we all enjoy (in which case it doesn't matter what I think)?

The former.
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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2012, 11:55:11 am »
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None of those.
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2012, 05:56:24 pm »
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Holocaust denial
]Racist slurs[
]Homophobic slurs
Slurs against any particular religion (such as "Jews control the world!!!!" or "All Muslims hate America!!!!")
Advocating mass murder or genocide
Threatening another poster with violence

Petty insults ("You're a ****ing moron!")
Posting pornography
Spamming/Flooding
Having one or more sock accounts
Posting graphic images such as those of Gaddafi just before he was killed
Re-posting memes from other websites



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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2012, 06:13:00 pm »
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Holocaust denial
Racist slurs
Homophobic slurs
Slurs against any particular religion

Advocating mass murder or genocide
Threatening another poster with violence

Petty insults ("You're a ****ing moron!")
Posting pornography
Spamming/Flooding
Having one or more sock accounts
Posting graphic images such as those of Gaddafi just before he was killed
Re-posting memes from other websites

If done at all.

Here and there is fine, but multiple times (making it your entire character as a poster) is bannable.

Pretty much never, but encourage restraint.
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2012, 02:58:50 pm »
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Should be bannable offenses: Threats, spam, plagiarism, and sock accounts.

I'll also add: Anything that could place the site in legal jeopardy, e.g. posting pornographic images.

The ignore feature (along with ridicule, including what many here would term "personal attacks") is the best response to most other actions listed in the OP.

Other rules that should be heavily encouraged:

1. Be truthful.
2. Don't whine about other posters being "rude."
3. Don't whine about the moderators or attack them over how they perform their duties.
4. Use proper English.
5. Title your topics meaningfully. (Don't be like the asshole who started a thread called "2012" on the 2012 Congressional Elections board.)
6. Avoid grudges. (I'm bad with this one. Practically anything posted by Politico, nh/azmagic, or Zarn sends me into a frothing rage.)
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« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2012, 03:52:55 pm »
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3. Don't whine about the moderators or attack them over how they perform their duties.

Of course they have absolute power, but why not attempt to expose what they're doing to others?
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« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2012, 04:03:33 pm »
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"Don't whine" hardly precludes all criticism.

But a major "lol" at the idea that forum moderators have "absolute power." Let's not delude ourselves. They're a group of unpaid volunteers charged with interpreting and enforcing the terms of service. Their actions are constrained by Dave (when present), the ToS, each other (they're hardly a monolithic body), and community norms.
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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2012, 06:33:14 pm »
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Holocaust denial - only if it involves a threat of violence
Racist slurs - same
Homophobic slurs - same
Slurs against any particular religion - same
Advocating mass murder or genocide - yes
Threatening another poster with violence - yes
Petty insults ("You're a ****ing moron!") - generally no
Posting pornography - yes, assuming this is supposed to remain a family forum, temp ban for first offense
Spamming/Flooding - yes
Having one or more sock accounts - only if the sock committed a bannable offense
Posting graphic images such as those of Gaddafi just before he was killed - depends on how graphic and whether the intent is to offend or educate
Re-posting memes from other websites - no, unless it crosses the line into spam
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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2012, 07:47:47 pm »
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Holocaust denial- Only if it involves violence, as wormyguy said.  Of course, I don't see anyone who would post this and eventually not be banned. Tongue
Racist slurs- Temporary ban/infraction on the first offense
Homophobic slurs- Temporary ban/infraction on the first offense
Slurs against any particular religion (such as "Jews control the world!!!!" or "All Muslims hate America!!!!")- Temporary ban/infraction on the first offense
Advocating mass murder or genocide- Yes, permanently
Threatening another poster with violence- Yes, permanently
Petty insults ("You're a ****ing moron!")- No (I would also like to see the world filter turned off, but that probably won't happen since I know the mods want this site not to be blocked by school filters)
Posting pornography- Temporary ban/infraction on the first offense
Spamming/Flooding- Temporary ban/infraction on the first offense
Having one or more sock accounts- Yes, especially if you do it to have multiple Atlasia accounts Tongue
Posting graphic images such as those of Gaddafi just before he was killed- Not sure on this
Re-posting memes from other websites- Nah

Of course, people who do some of these things on a first offense are likely to end up permabanned, anyway.
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2012, 02:33:13 am »
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Holocaust denial - only if it involves a threat of violence
Racist slurs - same
Homophobic slurs - same
Slurs against any particular religion - same
Advocating mass murder or genocide - yes
Threatening another poster with violence - yes
Petty insults ("You're a ****ing moron!") - generally no
Posting pornography - yes, assuming this is supposed to remain a family forum, temp ban for first offense
Spamming/Flooding - yes
Having one or more sock accounts - only if the sock committed a bannable offense
Posting graphic images such as those of Gaddafi just before he was killed - depends on how graphic and whether the intent is to offend or educate
Re-posting memes from other websites - no, unless it crosses the line into spam
Sock posting in the same thread as the owner is trolling.
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2012, 11:16:08 am »
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Most other forums I post at all allow socks as long as they are funny and not used for trolling or malicious purposes. However there has been a grand total of one possible sock on Atlas that has been the slightest bit amusing (The Professor) and hordes of stupid trolls and downright pathetic attempts at humor (johnnyboy and of course Larry T being painfully unfunny), so I don't mind a stricter standard here.
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2012, 03:20:54 am »
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However there has been a grand total of one possible sock on Atlas that has been the slightest bit amusing (The Professor)...

There's no evidence to suggest that The Professor is a sock account.  If it is a sock account, then it's someone who's extremely good at covering his tracks.
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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2012, 09:41:38 pm »
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The Professor's diction + sense of humor are dead giveaways.
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2012, 11:03:59 pm »
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The Professor's diction + sense of humor are dead giveaways.

Who are you suggesting his diction + sense of humor is a ringer for?
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2012, 12:47:09 pm »
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Holocaust denial
Racist slurs
Homophobic slurs
Slurs against any particular religion (such as "Jews control the world!!!!" or "All Muslims hate America!!!!")
Advocating mass murder or genocide
Threatening another poster with violence
Petty insults ("You're a ****ing moron!")
Posting pornography
Spamming/Flooding
Having one or more sock accounts
Posting graphic images such as those of Gaddafi just before he was killed
Re-posting memes from other websites


Only offenses against the GTC should lead to a dissolution of contract.

Having one or more sock accounts is not a contradiction of the GTC, particularly if you falsely consider accounts created after a(n unjustified) banning as "socks".

Period!
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2012, 01:36:34 pm »
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Holocaust denial- Only if it involves violence
I cant see why it is relevant if holocaust denial involves violence. Holocaust denial is extremely hurtfull in itself if you have relatives that perished in the gas chambers, it doesn't matter if there is some kind of reference to violence in the statement. The holocaust was in itself one giant act of violence.
All in all I don't understand this fixation on threats, that a lot of you seem to have.
A lot of expressions of racism, sexism and homophobia that don't involve threats can be just as hurtfull as the ones that do. Personally I couldn't care less if I am threatened on the internet, since the chance of some random guy in Oklahoma (or whereever) actually harming me is next to nil.
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2012, 02:12:36 pm »
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Holocaust denial- Only if it involves violence
All in all I don't understand this fixation on threats, that a lot of you seem to have.

It probably comes down to many (most) of the people on this site being absolutely obsessed with aspects of US governance and familiarity with the US free speech legal tradition (in which "fighting words" like "I'm going to kill you now" are one of the few exceptions to freedom of speech).  Needless to say, the rules on this site are not based on that legal tradition, but it influences a lot of the American mindset.
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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2012, 02:35:44 pm »
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The Professor's diction + sense of humor are dead giveaways.

Who are you suggesting his diction + sense of humor is a ringer for?


Sam Spade would come to mind.
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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2012, 02:38:08 pm »
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The Professor's IP is legitimate, not a proxy, and doesn't match any current posters.  It's possible (almost definite) that he's a gimmick account, but I don't think he's a sock.
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« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2012, 03:28:56 pm »
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Being a moderator. -_-
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