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Author Topic: House Debates Banning Sex-Selective Abortions  (Read 2313 times)
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« on: May 30, 2012, 05:07:22 pm »
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House debates bill to ban sex-selective abortions

By Shannon Bream
Published May 30, 2012
FoxNews.com

House members launched into a contentious debate Wednesday over a bill that would ban abortions performed on the basis of gender-selection.
 
Though sex-selective abortions are typically thought of as a problem in countries like China, bill author Rep. Trent Franks, R-Ariz., said Democrats and Republicans in the House agree that sex-selection abortions are occurring in the United States.
 
"The people of this country are overwhelmingly for this bill, and liberals are going to have to make up their mind whether they are so committed to abortion on demand that they think that includes killing little girls because they are little girls," Franks said.
 
Under his proposal, physicians who perform sex-selective abortions would face heavy fines and up to five years in jail.
 
The House, after closing out debate late Wednesday afternoon, is expected to vote on the proposal Thursday. It needs a two-thirds majority to pass.
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2012, 05:16:22 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2012, 05:26:42 pm »
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Laws like this haven't worked anywhere in the world they've been tried for a very simple reason:  You can always claim the abortion is because of something else. 

I would probably support it anyway just for the symbolism of it.
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2012, 05:55:56 pm »
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No. Enforcement will be extremely intrusive and marginal at best.

And is there really any evidence that sex-selective abortions in the United States are common?
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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2012, 06:09:51 pm »
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People should be able to have abortions for whatever reason they want.
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« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2012, 06:10:31 pm »
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Lean yes. I really hate shoving my personal beliefs down the throats of others, but abortion where the life of the mother is not at stake is one instance where an exception is made.
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« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2012, 07:21:32 pm »
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It's interesting that the question "Do you support abortion on demand" or variants always polls more positively than "Do you support sex-selective abortion"  You'd think that sex-selective abortion is necessarily included under "all abortion."

Anyway, my answer is that abortion should be legal, and people always do legal things for both good and bad reasons.
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« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2012, 07:54:33 pm »
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Quote from: shua, gm on May 30, 2012, 05:26:42 pm
Laws like this haven't worked anywhere in the world they've been tried for a very simple reason:  You can always claim the abortion is because of something else. 

I would probably support it anyway just for the symbolism of it.

True, altho if a ban on sex-selective abortions were focused on the abortionists, it would be possible to go after them if their ratio was too skewed.

I do have a question, does the bill also ban sex-selective in-vitro fertilizations and if not, why not?
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« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2012, 08:08:01 pm »
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Once again, the GOP is trying to manipulate the situation. There are probably very few sex-selective abortions in the U.S., and the GOP is trying to use that concept as an excuse to go after abortion doctors.
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« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2012, 11:07:58 pm »
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No....though this is very unfortunate, there is no way to combat this practice without making all abortions suspect. This law is so vague and so easy to use throughout pregnancy that a blanket that if challenged could have the ability to overturn Roe v. Wade.
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« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2012, 12:13:54 am »
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As shua pointed out, this law is unenforceable and thus pointless even if it was a fundamentally good idea (which I'd argue it isn't, even if the thought behind it is fundamentally good, but not every "bad" thing should be criminalized.)
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« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2012, 03:13:01 am »
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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2012, 05:49:23 am »
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I would oppose this ban.

Maybe you don't like the reason for it, but it's not our decision to make.
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I highly doubt sex-selective abortion is a major problem in the US.

If it were, the best way to deal with it would be to make it illegal for the parents to know about the sex of the fetus before the time limit for abortions is reached.
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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2012, 10:31:53 am »
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I don't really understand why people have such a burning dislike for this since many of them don't seem to care about killing the fetus for any other reason, not to mention this whole issue started after a sting, not someone who actually wanted to have a sex selective abortion. That's my two cents on it personally.

But I would certainly vote for the ban anyway. This "Moderate Hero" abortion stance is still preferable to the status quo and probably softens political support for abortion in general by some small marginal degree.
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How the hell do you enforce this?
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Disgusting. This has my full support.

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I highly doubt sex-selective abortion is a major problem in the US.

If it were, the best way to deal with it would be to make it illegal for the parents to know about the sex of the fetus before the time limit for abortions is reached.
That would require actually having a time limit for abortions.
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« Reply #24 on: May 31, 2012, 03:53:18 pm »
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This is a stupid and obviously unenforcable idea. Of course I wouldn't support it.
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