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« on: September 21, 2012, 06:33:09 am »
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This is an elections forum, so why not do this like an elections thread?

Anyways, this is all happening rather soon. Large numbers of names have been floated around as possible candidates for the least rewarding job in Christendom, and a decent overview of them (and of the process) can be found here.
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2012, 07:06:18 am »
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appointment_of_Church_of_England_bishops just to fill in the missing bits on who gets to vote here, exactly.
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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2012, 07:09:18 am »
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My favourite part of the article:

'there is even Dr Barry Morgan, a Welshman, to represent the rest of the world for the first time in this process.'

 
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2012, 09:01:29 am »
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This is an elections forum, so why not do this like an elections thread?

Anyways, this is all happening rather soon. Large numbers of names have been floated around as possible candidates for the least rewarding job in Christendom, and a decent overview of them (and of the process) can be found here.

His grace, the archbishop of Dublin disagrees with your assertion.
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2012, 02:26:11 pm »
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I had the perception a few months ago that ++York's star was a bit on the wane for these purposes. Was that true, and if so, is it still true now?
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2012, 04:53:36 pm »
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I had the perception a few months ago that ++York's star was a bit on the wane for these purposes. Was that true, and if so, is it still true now?

Sentamu is perceived as too eager for the job. Not signing the Cambridge Accord has also haunted him.
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2012, 02:05:41 am »
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This is an elections forum, so why not do this like an elections thread?

Anyways, this is all happening rather soon. Large numbers of names have been floated around as possible candidates for the least rewarding job in Christendom, and a decent overview of them (and of the process) can be found here.

His grace, the archbishop of Dublin disagrees with your assertion.

Maybe he'll be the next Archbishop of Canterbury?  Or do you think they won't go outside the Church of England as they did last time?
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« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2012, 09:18:30 am »
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Does the Archbishop of Canterbury actually matter anymore? For that matter, are there even still any Anglicans who still believe in God outside of former British West Africa? Episcopalianism is basically culturally irrelevant in the United States now.
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« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2012, 11:05:57 am »
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Does the Archbishop of Canterbury actually matter anymore? For that matter, are there even still any Anglicans who still believe in God outside of former British West Africa? Episcopalianism is basically culturally irrelevant in the United States now.

It still is culturally relevent in a lot of social circles that are disproportionately influential to their size. I guess the real question I would ask is does the Archbishop of Canterbury matter within Episcopalianism?
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« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2012, 12:36:20 pm »
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The post matters a great deal, but has basically no power. Which is precisely why it is the least rewarding job in Christendom.
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2012, 01:32:16 pm »
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This is an elections forum, so why not do this like an elections thread?

Anyways, this is all happening rather soon. Large numbers of names have been floated around as possible candidates for the least rewarding job in Christendom, and a decent overview of them (and of the process) can be found here.

His grace, the archbishop of Dublin disagrees with your assertion.

Maybe he'll be the next Archbishop of Canterbury?  Or do you think they won't go outside the Church of England as they did last time?

Well the CoE certainly needs a radical change but I don't think it is quite ready to return to Rome just yet.

@Al: Yeah, I know what you were saying. I just wanted to interject a little something there.
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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2012, 02:33:18 am »
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What is Justin Welby like? I've been hearing more about him lately.
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2012, 12:39:59 pm »
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I spoke to Charters once, I think.  The guy is a moron. 
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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2012, 01:21:08 pm »
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He speaks very highly of you, however.
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« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2012, 01:33:52 pm »
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Congratulations Al, you just proved JJ's point.
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2012, 01:35:07 pm »
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« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2012, 06:43:43 pm »
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He speaks very highly of you, however.

He couldn't answer the official role of the Queen in the Church of England (It was pre-Internet).
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« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2012, 08:04:59 pm »
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He speaks very highly of you, however.

He couldn't answer the official role of the Queen in the Church of England (It was pre-Internet).

It's not going to be Chartres.

Is there any senior cleric in the Church of England who is not on some level outright disqualified or a just plain bad choice?
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« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2012, 04:04:51 am »
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Is there any senior cleric in the Church of England who is not on some level outright disqualified or a just plain bad choice?
Their career choice would suggest otherwise.
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« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2012, 05:11:15 am »
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Is there any senior cleric in the Church of England who is not on some level outright disqualified or a just plain bad choice?
Their career choice would suggest otherwise.

Har har. Be serious.
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« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2012, 05:38:07 am »
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Is there any senior cleric in the Church of England who is not on some level outright disqualified or a just plain bad choice?
Their career choice would suggest otherwise.

Har har. Be serious.
I am.
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Is there any senior cleric in the Church of England who is not on some level outright disqualified or a just plain bad choice?
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Har har. Be serious.
I am.

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« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2012, 12:10:03 pm »
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Is there any senior cleric in the Church of England who is not on some level outright disqualified or a just plain bad choice?
Their career choice would suggest otherwise.

Har har. Be serious.
I am.

Classy.
Note that I am referring specifically to the clergy of the Conservative Party at Prayer in their modern post-gentlemanly days, and am by no means making any sort of statement on the other member churches of the Anglican Communion.
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« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2012, 01:46:21 pm »
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Is there any senior cleric in the Church of England who is not on some level outright disqualified or a just plain bad choice?
Their career choice would suggest otherwise.

Har har. Be serious.
I am.

Classy.
Note that I am referring specifically to the clergy of the Conservative Party at Prayer in their modern post-gentlemanly days, and am by no means making any sort of statement on the other member churches of the Anglican Communion.

Duly noted. In that case I more or less agree. I'm given to understand that Church of England vicars and more junior bishops are often (not always but often) more or less respectable. But you're right that it is hard to be respectable and a senior Church of England cleric.
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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2012, 01:54:01 pm »
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So the Crown Nominations Commission has met, and one assumes made a decision. Now we play the waiting game.

...ah, the waiting game sucks; let's play Hungry Hungry Hippos.
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