PA 13

[RomneyGekko Situation Hairgel]

“Melissa Brown has said that healthcare is the number one issue in this campaign. We agree.

Told you Keystone!  Section 8 isn't her only issue, eh?

It isn't her only issue and you're post just proved that. If the Schwartz campaign can admit that she's focusing on other issues, why can't you?

Hmm, we are avoiding the insurance company issue and fraud aren't we Keystone.  The fact is Melissa Brown should have her records made public.  You would vote for this woman if she cut your health insurance wouldn't you?

[Keystone Phil]

“Melissa Brown has said that healthcare is the number one issue in this campaign. We agree.

Told you Keystone!  Section 8 isn't her only issue, eh?

It isn't her only issue and you're post just proved that. If the Schwartz campaign can admit that she's focusing on other issues, why can't you?

Hmm, we are avoiding the insurance company issue and fraud aren't we Keystone.  The fact is Melissa Brown should have her records made public.  You would vote for this woman if she cut your health insurance wouldn't you?

Well I'll be honest and say I don't know much about the situation involving her insurance company. I love how the Schwartz people demand this info but they haven't made much of Schwartz's record public. Funny, isn't it?

And then you want to talk about avoiding the issue, right? Well you happened to ignore my post about what Stack said concerning Section 8 ("If it were up to me, I'd outlaw it." - Stack. Though in reality, he'd never do that or ever work for reform.) How come that isn't racist, IrishDem? Brown, in your opinion, is using racist campaign tactics when she calls for REFORM but when the Dem makes a statement about OUTLAWING the program, that's ok, right?

[Keystone Phil]

Another thing, IrishDem....if Schwartz wants to play the "release your records" game, so can Brown....

http://www.politicspa.com/Press_Releases/092804brown.htm

[Keystone Phil]

Here's some of Schwartz's record...

http://www.radicalallyson.com/index.htm

[RomneyGekko Situation Hairgel]

I knew you were goning to pull that up.  Yeah I saw it.  Gotta love that darkened face of Allyson Schwartz.  Can't do nothing else, so you guys have to resort to painting Schwartz as a witchy liberal.  The fact is Melissa Brown robbed people of $5 MILLION.  Plus the fact she tried the whoel Al Sharpton/John Street thing to destroy Hoeffel.  How low can you guys go.  In your case you just deny the fact Melissa Brown is truly full of it when it comes to Section 8 and medicine.

I don't know about you, but people are starting to think this whole Nancy Pelosi/John Street/Al Sharpton tying to is getting sickening.  Gee how come we come up with the Santorum/Toomey/Hastert/DeLay/Bush/Cheney/Enron economics (health care company in Brown's case.. same concept).  The first of the 3 are outright anti-worker, anti-middle class and have endorsed Melissa Brown.  Last 4 are outright crooks.

[Keystone Phil]

I knew you were goning to pull that up.  Yeah I saw it.  Gotta love that darkened face of Allyson Schwartz.  Can't do nothing else, so you guys have to resort to painting Schwartz as a witchy liberal.

Oh stop whining. Have you seen all the negative lit Schwartz has been giving out with the "Brown is a nasty campaigner" stuff that she can't back up? Seen that yet?  

And you want to talk about someone being "full of it" on section 8? How about Stack? I love how you just ignore his quote. Why was it ok for him to say that (though he didn't mean it and wouldn't do anything on the issue if re-elected.)

Finally, you want to talk about Brown's health care company but once stuff comes up about Schwartz's center it's like you act like a five year old and close your ears. Give me a break.

Oh and the Dem line of "anti-middle class" is getting old, too. People aren't buying it, IrishDem.

[PBrunsel]

I love this thread.

[© Tweed the Younger]

I love this thread.

You may be in a very small minority.

I don't even understand what they are talking about.

[Keystone Phil]

I love this thread.

You may be in a very small minority.

Well I'm sorry to hear that people on the forum don't like to see discussion about one of the most competitive House races in the nation. Sure, at times it get's alittle out of hand but our arguments shows how strongly we believe in our candidate (and our disagreements with the opposition).

[Keystone Phil]

I love this thread.

You may be in a very small minority.

I don't even understand what they are talking about.

A very competitive U.S. House race here in southeastern Pennsylvania between Republican candidate Melissa Brown and Democratic candidate Allyson Schwartz.

[Keystone Phil]

Boring.

Eh, ok. Maybe it's not for you. But I know IrishDem and myself like having an exciting race around here.

[RomneyGekko Situation Hairgel]

And you want to talk about someone being "full of it" on section 8? How about Stack? I love how you just ignore his quote. Why was it ok for him to say that (though he didn't mean it and wouldn't do anything on the issue if re-elected.)

The thing is knuclehead, Melissa Brown and Sam Mirarchi are acting like it's a #1 issue.  Please, there are other issues to be concerned with.  Oh and I love this idea that something will be magically different if they are elected.  You guys have a Republican White House and both Houses of Congress and you're still whining?  Why?  Both Dems and Reps are doing things to curb Section 8 housing.  It should hardly be an issue in Mirachi's or Borwn's campaing.  It should hold no water in these elections rather, the city ones.  

[Keystone Phil]

And you want to talk about someone being "full of it" on section 8? How about Stack? I love how you just ignore his quote. Why was it ok for him to say that (though he didn't mean it and wouldn't do anything on the issue if re-elected.)

The thing is knuclehead, Melissa Brown and Sam Mirarchi are acting like it's a #1 issue.

Ah...so I guess this is the line you'll use more frequently when you're wrong? Answer the question, IrishDem: Was Stack's comments on Section 8 "racist?" If they weren't stop saying that Brown's attempts to REFORM THE SYSTEM are based on race.

Both Dems and Reps are doing things to curb Section 8 housing.

There's no representation from this city doing anything about it and guess what, IrishDem? This is where the problem is!

And, yes, something will be different if they are elected. The difference will be that Northeast Philadelphia will have real leaders on the issue. Do you honestly believe Stack will ever work on Section 8 reform? And Hoeffel...you talk about how he worked for the moratorium (which Brown pressured him to do) but there's still a lot more that can, and will, be done.

And what do you mean this should hardly be an issue in Brown's campaign? It's a federally funded program! Of course it should be an issue.

[RomneyGekko Situation Hairgel]

This reminds me of the thread re: the Quayle-Bentsen debate. It just keeps going in circles with the same "facts" constantly being brought up. Boring. I only looked at it because PBrunsel visited.

Sorry were boring you.  There is just too much air we have to get out and what a perfect spot for it on this thread.  Me and my opponent here are providing a service to this Forum by giving outsiders a lot of informative facts about Pennsylvania's 13th Congressional District.  Do you not like the fact that there are two locals of both parties are discussing a hotly contested Congressional race?  As Tip O'Neill said "All politics are local."  I know some of you guys on the outside are getting pissed, but this is a pinnacle example of what politics is about.  I strongly encourage outside input here for this district is like a microcosm of America.  It is very diverse ethnically, religiously, and socioeconomically.  I wish there were other races that could be so highly talked about as ours.  Please do not feel left out of this discussion just ebcause you are not from the district, Philadelphia, or Southeastern Pennsylvania for that matter.  

Sincerely,
Senator IrishDemocrat

[© Tweed the Younger]

A very competitive U.S. House race here in southeastern Pennsylvania between Republican candidate Melissa Brown and Democratic candidate Allyson Schwartz.

I know that much, but I mean the secondary names and the issues within the issue are confusing.

[Keystone Phil]

That CAN'T be the only issue. Nearly every post on this thread discusses it.

Well it's not the only issue but it is a major issue here in Northeast Philadelphia.

[Keystone Phil]

This reminds me of the thread re: the Quayle-Bentsen debate. It just keeps going in circles with the same "facts" constantly being brought up. Boring. I only looked at it because PBrunsel visited.

Sorry were boring you.  There is just too much air we have to get out and what a perfect spot for it on this thread.  Me and my opponent here are providing a service to this Forum by giving outsiders a lot of informative facts about Pennsylvania's 13th Congressional District.  Do you not like the fact that there are two locals of both parties are discussing a hotly contested Congressional race?  As Tip O'Neill said "All politics are local."  I know some of you guys on the outside are getting pissed, but this is a pinnacle example of what politics is about.  I strongly encourage outside input here for this district is like a microcosm of America.  It is very diverse ethnically, religiously, and socioeconomically.  I wish there were other races that could be so highly talked about as ours.  Please do not feel left out of this discussion just ebcause you are not from the district, Philadelphia, or Southeastern Pennsylvania for that matter.  

Sincerely,
Senator IrishDemocrat

I'm not going to say this often but I have to admit....that was a great post. I'm tired of forum members getting mad that we debate the race and the issues. It obviously annoys them since they don't have a competitive race to discuss.

[RomneyGekko Situation Hairgel]

Very well said, IrishDemocrat. Very well said indeed. My only comment is please let's drop Section 8. That CAN'T be the only issue. Nearly every post on this thread discusses it.

I wish it could be dropped New Federalist.  I would MUCH rather discuss other issues, but unfortunately many of my neighbors feel it is an important issue and in some case feel it is a #1 issue.  I feel they are wrong for deeming it so high, but I can't really blame them in thinking it's an issue.  In many of my posts, the points I have been bringining up were health care, jobs, education, and PROPER tax cuts should take a much higher precedence to Section 8.  Granted Sectiopn 8 housing and its abuses IS AN ISSUE here, but it should hold little bearing for this or any Congressional race.  I feel some of the abuses of Section 8 can best be taken care of via L&I or the Philadelphia Housing Authority.  

[Keystone Phil]

Once I saw those first couple of words (Slightly off topic) I skipped right over your post. No, not because what you're saying doesn't concern PA 13 It's because I haven't seen the debate yet. I had the opportunity to watch the last couple of minutes and then watch the full thing later tonight but I'd like to see it in full and then voice my opinion. Needless to say, since I dislike both Specter and Hoeffel, I'll be laughing a lot when I watch it later.

[RomneyGekko Situation Hairgel]

I saw the first part of it and got disgusted.  I like Hoeffel, but too much time was given to the 3rd parties.  I couldn't stand listening to these crackpots speak especially Summers and Clymer.  It's time Specter goes.  I would much rather have a Democrat that believes in being such as opposed to that fossilized RINO Arlen Specter who supposedly has "clout".  Why would the GOP give him power?  

[Keystone Phil]

This debate is just too sad. It's probably the worst debate I have ever watched. Let's see...we have Betsy Summers who keeps pausing every five seconds, Specter and Hoeffel keep going back and forth with this "You're a liar... No you're a liar.... NO YOU'RE a liar." Clymer...at times I just don't understand what he's saying. NewFederalist was right when he said the speaking skills of these candidates was not impressive at all. It's just embarrassing.

This just in: Betsy Summers says Specter seems to be ignoring here and asks "I am on camera, right?" with alittle laugh. What a joke.

Sure Clymer and Summers will get around 6% of the vote (combined) in the General election but after seeing their performance tonight, I don't think they should participate in the remaining debates.

[RomneyGekko Situation Hairgel]

Yes Keystone I have to agree with you.  Betsy Summers was a joke.  She was outright laughable. 

[Keystone Phil]

Yes Keystone I have to agree with you.  Betsy Summers was a joke.  She was outright laughable. 

Ok all this agreeing with each other is making me sick! Back to PA13!

[RomneyGekko Situation Hairgel]

I wish we could go back to our dueling, but there isn't much to duel on yet.  We just gotta wait for some polls, news, or press releases.  Maybe I should create another dueling thread.

[Keystone Phil]

I wish we could go back to our dueling, but there isn't much to duel on yet.  We just gotta wait for some polls, news, or press releases.  Maybe I should create another dueling thread.

We'll be able to argue about this Thursday's upcoming debate. Don't worry