Israel-Gaza war

[Horus]

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There is nothing Jewish about """Jewish""" Voice for Peace. They cheered on the Hamas pogrom of October 7 from the moment it began, and for decades seemingly their only purpose has been to serve as a fifth column to launder the reputation of any person or group accused of Jew-hate. Don't you dare cite them as Jewish anything. Other Jewish organizations are unanimously opposed to everything they do and for damn good reason.

Oh and stop spamming the same article by the same hateful ghoul, republished in various outlets, over and over again.

There are many Jewish members and their chairwoman is Jewish. You don't get to de-Jew them just because you disagree with their views. It doesn't work like that.

[Aurelius2]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1713015102880833586

https://twitter.com/AzorInfo/status/1713039876369891388
Karen Attiah is a monster who cheers on pogroms. Nuff said.

Nice Ad Hominem.

That's not what an ad hominem is but ok.

The point is nobody with a brain should be interested in hearing from someone who cheers on pogroms as they happen.

[pppolitics]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1713015102880833586

https://twitter.com/AzorInfo/status/1713039876369891388
Karen Attiah is a monster who cheers on pogroms. Nuff said.

Nice Ad Hominem.

That's not what an ad hominem is but ok.

The point is nobody with a brain should be interested in hearing from someone who cheers on pogroms as they happen.

You don't know what an ad hominem is.

[Aurelius2]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1713015102880833586

https://twitter.com/AzorInfo/status/1713039876369891388
Karen Attiah is a monster who cheers on pogroms. Nuff said.

Nice Ad Hominem.

That's not what an ad hominem is but ok.

The point is nobody with a brain should be interested in hearing from someone who cheers on pogroms as they happen.

You don't know what an ad hominem is.

And you don't know your arse from your elbow.

*That's* an ad hominem. Pointing out that Attiah cheered on the pogrom as it happened is not.

[pppolitics]

As a patriotic American, what I am afraid of most is that we lose our credibility as we become complicit in Israel's genocide.

Think of how to rest of the world is going to see us.

[pppolitics]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1713015102880833586

https://twitter.com/AzorInfo/status/1713039876369891388
Karen Attiah is a monster who cheers on pogroms. Nuff said.

Nice Ad Hominem.

That's not what an ad hominem is but ok.

The point is nobody with a brain should be interested in hearing from someone who cheers on pogroms as they happen.

You don't know what an ad hominem is.

And you don't know your arse from your elbow.

*That's* an ad hominem. Pointing out that Attiah cheered on the pogrom as it happened is not.

...as opposed to pointing out which part of the text that you disagree with

[It’s so Joever]

cutting off aid to Israel is not wise for US interests.

Right now no given how it would look, but our past decade of allowing our money to flow to the increasingly illiberal and traitorous (I care more about this one tbh) country has also not been in our interests. It’s clear our status quo policy did not work, and Israeli leadership needs to be reminded that they are supposed to be our puppet and not the other way around.

Just a reminder that the US is not the center of the universe. Israel has never been its "puppet" (LOL at using this term unironically) and has every right to conduct its foreign policy in accordance with its own national interests. If these don't fully align with those of the US... well, that's not Israel's problem.

And guess what? The US is still going to pay. Because given the politics in the region, even a "traitorous" (LOL again) Israel is a far greater strategic asset than any other ally it has.

I’m just saying the truth. Israel is a puppet and would be NOTHING without us. If they need to be reminded of that then we can. At the very least we have leverage here and should not be afraid to use it, even if it makes some libertarian from Germany cry foul.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

To all the posters that are being critical of Israel. What would you have done if you were Israel After the Hamas abducted/raped/decapitated a ton of israeli children ?


Death toll is terrible in Gaza but I genuinely don't see how Hamas shouldn't be entirely blamed for that.

I would not go in and genocide a group of people because of terrorists. Responding to Hamas by becoming Hamas isn't the answer.

Do y'all know what a genocide is?? Cuz it isn't civilian casualties and that's it

Exactly.

But according to some users here...

...any military operation that results in more than a few dozen civilian casualties is a "genocide".
...any such operation carried out by the IDF is also "ethnic cleansing".
...any policy that deviates even slightly from secular modernity is "theocratic".

Well, it's one way to make these terms meaningless.

(By the way – the IDF is the only "genocidal" force in the world that actively seeks to minimize civilian casualties. It seems they haven't quite understood what their job ist... or they're terribly bad at it.)

In terms of rhetoric, multiple members of the Knesset have promised a "second Nakba" and other rhetoric that I think anyone would recognize as genocidal. The President literally claimed that there are no civilians in Gaza.

In terms of ordinance, the amount of explosives being delivered onto Gaza is more comparable to the 2nd Battle of Grozny than the War on Terror, with the IDF having dropped more bombs than the US Air Force throughout the entire Afghan invasion.

In terms of casualties, the number of children killed in Gaza already exceeds the number of children killed over nearly two years of intense and merciless combat in Ukraine.

Funny way of "actively seeking to minimize civilian casualties". I'm probably the biggest critic of the US military on this board but the IDF is making the USAF look like a humanitarian organization and the Russian Army like a model of restraint. The IDF's goal isn't to reduce civilian casualties but to fool its ignorant Western patrons into thinking that they deserve unconditional support.

[Ferguson97]

Is there any hope at all of this working?

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1713304716929622412

[It’s so Joever]

cutting off aid to Israel is not wise for US interests.

Why should the US continue to subsidize a developed country (which also does contrary to our wishes)?

So that we have a much greater say in the relationship we share with Israel and stronger ability to o fluency their policy. The money is a great negotiating tool that we can use to guide Israel in doing the proper actions on the global stage.
We also do mutually benefit from the stuff we invest to an extent so it’s not entirely a give relationship. However all of the above should not stop us from kowtowing to Bibi like some posters on here seem to want.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1713015102880833586

https://twitter.com/AzorInfo/status/1713039876369891388
Karen Attiah is a monster who cheers on pogroms. Nuff said.

Nice Ad Hominem.

That's not what an ad hominem is but ok.

The point is nobody with a brain should be interested in hearing from someone who cheers on pogroms as they happen.

You don't know what an ad hominem is.

And you don't know your arse from your elbow.

*That's* an ad hominem. Pointing out that Attiah cheered on the pogrom as it happened is not.

...as opposed to pointing out which part of the text that you disagree with

It's an ad hominem but that doesn't necessarily make it out of bounds. Ad hominems are an informal fallacy of relevance, not a formal fallacy, meaning that generally they constitute derailing the argument but they can be valid if someone's personal characteristics really are relevant to what's being discussed. I don't know if Attiah actually cheered on the initial Hamas pogrom because I don't know who Attiah is, but if true that might very well be relevant to further moral interventions from the same person on the same series of events.

[pppolitics]

cutting off aid to Israel is not wise for US interests.

Why should the US continue to subsidize a developed country (which also does contrary to our wishes)?

So that we have a much greater say in the relationship we share with Israel and stronger ability to o fluency their policy. The money is a great negotiating tool that we can use to guide Israel in doing the proper actions on the global stage.
We also do mutually benefit from the stuff we invest to an extent so it’s not entirely a give relationship. However all of the above should not stop us from kowtowing to Bibi like some posters on here seem to want.

Israel is doing whatever it wants right now.

[Vosem]

Is there any hope at all of this working?

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1713304716929622412

The history of the region from 1994 to present kind of suggests "no, not without some really large changes of attitude among key participants". We came close twice in 2000 and 2008, but subsequent radicalization of the part of the Gazan regime means the 2004 withdrawal is widely considered a mistake in Israel, and further withdrawals are not likely. I believe public polling also shows a majority of ordinary Israelis and a majority of ordinary Palestinians both agree that "there is no partner for peace".

Abbas also lost a civil war to Hamas in Gaza in 2007, and he could reassert power there only by force; an agreement with Abbas might still mean "brutal warfare in Gaza". The Palestinians are not a monolith.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I understand Israel has apparently bombed Aleppo and Damascus according to Reuters? Anyone know more about this?

[OSR stands with Israel]

As a patriotic American, what I am afraid of most is that we lose our credibility as we become complicit in Israel's genocide.

Think of how to rest of the world is going to see us.

Basically everyone who is backing Ukraine is also backing Israel except India who is "neutral" in that conflict is also backing Israel so you are wrong lol.

[certified hummus supporter 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

If Bibi and his assorted gang of bastards wants to get rid of the Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza for their genocidal vision of a "Second Nakba," then fine, by all means try it. But when the Gazans fire back in return, don't come crying and bitching to the collective West when the bodybags of IDF soldiers keeps rolling in.

[pppolitics]

As a patriotic American, what I am afraid of most is that we lose our credibility as we become complicit in Israel's genocide.

Think of how to rest of the world is going to see us.

Basically everyone who is backing Ukraine is also backing Israel except India who is "neutral" in that conflict is also backing Israel so you are wrong lol.

I am not just concerned about the near term, but also the long term.

Right now, Israel's genocide is being hidden by the fog of war.

[pppolitics]

If Bibi and his assorted gang of bastards wants to get rid of the Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza for their genocidal vision of a "Second Nakba," then fine, by all means try it. But when the Gazans fire back in return, don't come crying and bitching to the collective West when the bodybags of IDF soldiers keeps rolling in.

They will do just that.

[OSR stands with Israel]

If Bibi and his assorted gang of bastards wants to get rid of the Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza for their genocidal vision of a "Second Nakba," then fine, by all means try it. But when the Gazans fire back in return, don't come crying and bitching to the collective West when the bodybags of IDF soldiers keeps rolling in.

This is not happening. We only gave Iraqis a 48 hour warning before invading and calling what we did in Iraq a genocide would be completely absurd

[pppolitics]

If Bibi and his assorted gang of bastards wants to get rid of the Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza for their genocidal vision of a "Second Nakba," then fine, by all means try it. But when the Gazans fire back in return, don't come crying and bitching to the collective West when the bodybags of IDF soldiers keeps rolling in.

This is not happening. We only gave Iraqis a 48 hour warning before invading and calling what we did in Iraq a genocide would be completely absurd

The US didn't indiscriminately bombed civilians.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

If Bibi and his assorted gang of bastards wants to get rid of the Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza for their genocidal vision of a "Second Nakba," then fine, by all means try it. But when the Gazans fire back in return, don't come crying and bitching to the collective West when the bodybags of IDF soldiers keeps rolling in.

This is not happening. We only gave Iraqis a 48 hour warning before invading and calling what we did in Iraq a genocide would be completely absurd

The IDF is adopting markedly different rules of engagement, though.

[Ferguson97]

This is not happening. We only gave Iraqis a 48 hour warning before invading and calling what we did in Iraq a genocide would be completely absurd

Why do you always make such ridiculous comparisons? The US-Iraq war was not an ethno-religious conflict.

[OSR stands with Israel]

This is not happening. We only gave Iraqis a 48 hour warning before invading and calling what we did in Iraq a genocide would be completely absurd

Why do you always make such ridiculous comparisons? The US-Iraq war was not an ethno-religious conflict.

If you do not want Israel to invade Gaza or bomb Gaza then what should they do.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

This is not happening. We only gave Iraqis a 48 hour warning before invading and calling what we did in Iraq a genocide would be completely absurd

Why do you always make such ridiculous comparisons? The US-Iraq war was not an ethno-religious conflict.

If you do not want Israel to invade Gaza or bomb Gaza then what should they do.

I can only speak for myself, but invading and bombing Gaza with more reasonable rules of engagement is exactly what I want them to do. Do you genuinely not understand the difference?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

cutting off aid to Israel is not wise for US interests.

Why should the US continue to subsidize a developed country (which also does contrary to our wishes)?

If an informal anti-American coalition is to exist, it ought to be smaller and not bigger.