Israel-Gaza war

[Zinneke]

I24 reporting that: Initial investigation by IDF shows explosion in hospital in Gaza was caused by a failed Hamas rocket launch.

First "reputable" source so far.

https://www.i24news.tv/en

It's owned by an Israeli billionaire with pro-Israel leanings , it just isn't a reputable source in this case, just like Al Jazeera isn't

[Birdish]

I24 reporting that: Initial investigation by IDF shows explosion in hospital in Gaza was caused by a failed Hamas rocket launch.

First "reputable" source so far.

https://www.i24news.tv/en

It's owned by an Israeli billionaire with pro-Israel leanings , it just isn't a reputable source in this case, just like Al Jazeera isn't

Hence the "reputable" in quotes.

[Zinneke]

I24 reporting that: Initial investigation by IDF shows explosion in hospital in Gaza was caused by a failed Hamas rocket launch.

First "reputable" source so far.

https://www.i24news.tv/en

It's owned by an Israeli billionaire with pro-Israel leanings , it just isn't a reputable source in this case, just like Al Jazeera isn't

Hence the "reputable" in quotes.

my bad

[Birdish]

I24 reporting that: Initial investigation by IDF shows explosion in hospital in Gaza was caused by a failed Hamas rocket launch.

First "reputable" source so far.

https://www.i24news.tv/en

It's owned by an Israeli billionaire with pro-Israel leanings , it just isn't a reputable source in this case, just like Al Jazeera isn't

Hence the "reputable" in quotes.

my bad

I should have made it more clear. I was hesitant to post the link, but it appears that's where multiple social media posts were getting their info from.

[Saint Milei]

Is the bombing of the hospital confirmed?

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Ultimately, Palestinian liberationism will be defeated only when foreign sympathy for it is completely destroyed.

In that case, the israeli response may have sustained it for years.

[Yeahsayyeah]

I24 reporting that: Initial investigation by IDF shows explosion in hospital in Gaza was caused by a failed Hamas rocket launch.

First "reputable" source so far.

https://www.i24news.tv/en

The IDF would have no interest in telling the truth if it were them.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Is the bombing of the hospital confirmed?

The hospital is confirmed yes, although the who, how and why are all up in the air

[Vosem]

There are few people who have less influence and relevance than the people who think that literally all white people in North America should go back to Europe. This is a fringe position even among "decolonial" activists, for whom "decolonization" is more comparable to Bolivia.

What, are they calling for a commodity boom and legalizing coca? (Or just packing the judiciary with people they like?) Apart from trying to stay in office for a long time and sparking the eventual military coup, Morales does not strike me as having been that special of a leader. He didn't even really nationalize anything (apart from, in my understanding, very scattered cases where private contracts had been obtained in corrupt ways), and basically just hugely raised corporate taxes at a time when the economy was booming so much that it could bear them.

[Sestak]

The IDF has made their claim that it was a failed IJ rocket launch. Now we see if they have any evidence for this..

[Birdish]

It does get frustrating that western news organizations quote "Palestinian Health Officials" verbatim, even though its a Hamas spokesman. If the IDF is correct and the Hospital was hit with Hamas rockets, then it's been almost 2 hours of multiple news websites top headline essentially being "IDF blows up hospital, kills 100s of innocent civilians".

There are currently multiple violet protests happening in the middle east right now because of this. Even more people are going to be killed. All for what could be a horrific accident.

[Birdish]

https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1714366327538794512

[Horus]

It does get frustrating that western news organizations quote "Palestinian Health Officials" verbatim, even though its a Hamas spokesman. If the IDF is correct and the Hospital was hit with Hamas rockets, then it's been almost 2 hours of multiple news websites top headline essentially being "IDF blows up hospital, kills 100s of innocent civilians".

There are currently multiple violet protests happening in the middle east right now because of this. Even more people are going to be killed. All for what could be a horrific accident.

Imagine thinking Western media is biased against Israel. Just lmao. Boy do I wish we had emojis so I could fill this post up with even more laughs.

[Vosem]

https://twitter.com/Justin_Br0nk/status/1714352303082271215

Would be consistent with the 'rocket depot', and I guess some evidence that the strike itself probably wasn't Israeli. (A lot of bullsh**t coming through in pro-Israeli sources too, though -- the stuff about a large rocket being launched at Haifa is probably either made up or unrelated, because it doesn't actually seem like the initial rocket is very large at all.)

I24 reporting that: Initial investigation by IDF shows explosion in hospital in Gaza was caused by a failed Hamas rocket launch.

First "reputable" source so far.

https://www.i24news.tv/en

The IDF would have no interest in telling the truth if it were them.

I mean, that goes for both sides. This is an argument for, like, radical skepticism and not trusting any reports.

Ultimately, Palestinian liberationism will be defeated only when foreign sympathy for it is completely destroyed.

In that case, the israeli response may have sustained it for years.

Is that so? This is what was said after the wars in 2009/2014 too, and after the "Great March" stuff in 2018-2019, and at least in American public polling and continued international rapprochement that really doesn't seem to have been the case. (I'm less familiar with European public polling, but it seems kind of obvious that most of the governments on the Continent support Israel much more than they did in, say, 2001.)

Of course the issue is substantially support for Palestinian-ism among a particular faction of society (journalists and NGO workers), among whom I can well believe the wars left less support for Israel, if there was ever much to start with. I think at a certain point these organizations will be curtailed by First World governments, but we are probably decades away from that.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1714366327538794512

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1714364190985458105
I maintained an open mind, until now. There's still a possibility it was something else, but if they're going to lie and use a video of another launch, I'm somewhat more inclined to believe the IDF was responsible.

[Birdish]

It does get frustrating that western news organizations quote "Palestinian Health Officials" verbatim, even though its a Hamas spokesman. If the IDF is correct and the Hospital was hit with Hamas rockets, then it's been almost 2 hours of multiple news websites top headline essentially being "IDF blows up hospital, kills 100s of innocent civilians".

There are currently multiple violet protests happening in the middle east right now because of this. Even more people are going to be killed. All for what could be a horrific accident.

Imagine thinking Western media is biased against Israel. Boy do I wish we had emojis so I could fill this post up with laughs.

It's not that I think they're biased against Israel. But extraordinary claims require evidence. This was an extraordinary claim and Israel is denying with their own evidence. 2 hours of one sided coverage might cost lives. They're are violent protests going on at this very moment because Hamas immediately came out and blamed the IDF. 

[Vosem]

It does get frustrating that western news organizations quote "Palestinian Health Officials" verbatim, even though its a Hamas spokesman. If the IDF is correct and the Hospital was hit with Hamas rockets, then it's been almost 2 hours of multiple news websites top headline essentially being "IDF blows up hospital, kills 100s of innocent civilians".

There are currently multiple violet protests happening in the middle east right now because of this. Even more people are going to be killed. All for what could be a horrific accident.

Imagine thinking Western media is biased against Israel. Just lmao. Boy do I wish we had emojis so I could fill this post up with even more laughs.

They are biased against wealthy societies (and people) and in favor of poorer societies (and people) very broadly. The bias in favor of the Palestinians is just a particularly galling and obvious case study of this.

[Horus]

It does get frustrating that western news organizations quote "Palestinian Health Officials" verbatim, even though its a Hamas spokesman. If the IDF is correct and the Hospital was hit with Hamas rockets, then it's been almost 2 hours of multiple news websites top headline essentially being "IDF blows up hospital, kills 100s of innocent civilians".

There are currently multiple violet protests happening in the middle east right now because of this. Even more people are going to be killed. All for what could be a horrific accident.

Imagine thinking Western media is biased against Israel. Just lmao. Boy do I wish we had emojis so I could fill this post up with even more laughs.

They are biased against wealthy societies (and people) and in favor of poorer societies (and people) very broadly. The bias in favor of the Palestinians is just a particularly galling and obvious case study of this.

Lol

[CookieDamage]

It does get frustrating that western news organizations quote "Palestinian Health Officials" verbatim, even though its a Hamas spokesman. If the IDF is correct and the Hospital was hit with Hamas rockets, then it's been almost 2 hours of multiple news websites top headline essentially being "IDF blows up hospital, kills 100s of innocent civilians".

There are currently multiple violet protests happening in the middle east right now because of this. Even more people are going to be killed. All for what could be a horrific accident.

Imagine thinking Western media is biased against Israel. Boy do I wish we had emojis so I could fill this post up with laughs.

It's not that I think they're biased against Israel. But extraordinary claims require evidence. This was an extraordinary claim and Israel is denying with their own evidence. 2 hours of one sided coverage might cost lives. They're are violent protests going on at this very moment because Hamas immediately came out and blamed the IDF. 

IDF took way too long to deny their involvement. They should have come out right away and denied, they didn't need a culprit right away.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

https://twitter.com/Israel/status/1714366327538794512

https://twitter.com/matt_boot_/status/1713568089021780327

When the Israeli president says "there are no civilians in Gaza" you shouldn't be surprised when the IDF acts like that's the case.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

It does get frustrating that western news organizations quote "Palestinian Health Officials" verbatim, even though its a Hamas spokesman. If the IDF is correct and the Hospital was hit with Hamas rockets, then it's been almost 2 hours of multiple news websites top headline essentially being "IDF blows up hospital, kills 100s of innocent civilians".

There are currently multiple violet protests happening in the middle east right now because of this. Even more people are going to be killed. All for what could be a horrific accident.

Imagine thinking Western media is biased against Israel. Just lmao. Boy do I wish we had emojis so I could fill this post up with even more laughs.

They are biased against wealthy societies (and people) and in favor of poorer societies (and people) very broadly. The bias in favor of the Palestinians is just a particularly galling and obvious case study of this.

Then why is it impossible to find decent coverage of African affairs from Western media?

[GALeftist]

I'm not saying it's impossible that this was the result of a misfire (though candidly it seems unlikely to me), but if you are uncritically parroting the IDF (or Hamas!) line ITT or elsewhere even despite zero evidence, you are a complete rube.

[Zinneke]

It does get frustrating that western news organizations quote "Palestinian Health Officials" verbatim, even though its a Hamas spokesman. If the IDF is correct and the Hospital was hit with Hamas rockets, then it's been almost 2 hours of multiple news websites top headline essentially being "IDF blows up hospital, kills 100s of innocent civilians".

There are currently multiple violet protests happening in the middle east right now because of this. Even more people are going to be killed. All for what could be a horrific accident.

Imagine thinking Western media is biased against Israel. Just lmao. Boy do I wish we had emojis so I could fill this post up with even more laughs.

They are biased against wealthy societies (and people) and in favor of poorer societies (and people) very broadly. The bias in favor of the Palestinians is just a particularly galling and obvious case study of this.

One of the dumbest statements I've read on here for a while

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

https://twitter.com/Seamus_Malek/status/1714369464823857604?s=20

[Vosem]

It does get frustrating that western news organizations quote "Palestinian Health Officials" verbatim, even though its a Hamas spokesman. If the IDF is correct and the Hospital was hit with Hamas rockets, then it's been almost 2 hours of multiple news websites top headline essentially being "IDF blows up hospital, kills 100s of innocent civilians".

There are currently multiple violet protests happening in the middle east right now because of this. Even more people are going to be killed. All for what could be a horrific accident.

Imagine thinking Western media is biased against Israel. Just lmao. Boy do I wish we had emojis so I could fill this post up with even more laughs.

They are biased against wealthy societies (and people) and in favor of poorer societies (and people) very broadly. The bias in favor of the Palestinians is just a particularly galling and obvious case study of this.

Then why is it impossible to find decent coverage of African affairs from Western media?

Presumably because there is little interest?

It does get frustrating that western news organizations quote "Palestinian Health Officials" verbatim, even though its a Hamas spokesman. If the IDF is correct and the Hospital was hit with Hamas rockets, then it's been almost 2 hours of multiple news websites top headline essentially being "IDF blows up hospital, kills 100s of innocent civilians".

There are currently multiple violet protests happening in the middle east right now because of this. Even more people are going to be killed. All for what could be a horrific accident.

Imagine thinking Western media is biased against Israel. Just lmao. Boy do I wish we had emojis so I could fill this post up with even more laughs.

They are biased against wealthy societies (and people) and in favor of poorer societies (and people) very broadly. The bias in favor of the Palestinians is just a particularly galling and obvious case study of this.

Lol

I mean, today's stuff is open-and-shut: you have articles published just repeating the takes of the Palestinian government (or, actually, random individuals in the Health Ministry) and not even at attempt to ask the other side (there's no "Israeli government couldn't be reached for comment", or refused to comment, in these).

But, yeah, this has been happening for many decades (and specific examples of it, like "photo of a tank driving away from a child presented as the tank driving towards the child", are famous enough to have been used as stock examples of 'media bias affects conflicts' in my college International Relations courses*), and it ends with the general decline of trust in media.

*Which, in episode number million of "I only ever meet people with similar views to mine", portrayed Israel extremely sympathetically, though I think in hindsight Ohio State was actually one of the earliest places at which you saw a substantial center-left pro-Israel reaction; there's a thread on AAD where I discuss the reasons for this, but it was already happening in student groups by the time I showed up, so the second term of Obama. By 2019 or so it was everywhere.