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« Reply #175 on: January 06, 2012, 11:53:18 am »
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This might sound incredibly stupid, but this increased my opinion of the ALP significantly.
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« Reply #176 on: January 26, 2012, 05:30:30 pm »
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« Reply #177 on: January 30, 2012, 07:37:00 am »
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Rumbles from pretty accurate sources that both Gillard and Rudd supporters are counting numbers for a potential leadership challenge.

Considering Parliament returns next week ... it'll be pretty interesting.
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« Reply #178 on: January 30, 2012, 06:36:55 pm »
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New poll out shows that while the Coalition has lost 3% primary vote since the Christmas recess, the ALP primary remains at 30%. Two-party preferred sits at 54-46 Coalition... a total wipeout.

Gillard lost ground to Abbott as preferred PM and now only has a 3% lead.

Senior ALP Ministers are leaking to the press that any Rudd challenge would see them resign and force an immediate election. Which means a lot of people are taking things a lot more seriously than in the past.
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« Reply #179 on: January 30, 2012, 06:41:52 pm »
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Quote from: Senator Polnut on January 30, 2012, 06:36:55 pm
Senior ALP Ministers are leaking to the press that any Rudd challenge would see them resign and force an immediate election. Which means a lot of people are taking things a lot more seriously than in the past.

Call an immediate election because they hope to take advantage of any bounce, or resign to stop Kev'.
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« Reply #180 on: January 30, 2012, 07:14:07 pm »
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Senior ALP Ministers are leaking to the press that any Rudd challenge would see them resign and force an immediate election. Which means a lot of people are taking things a lot more seriously than in the past.

Call an immediate election because they hope to take advantage of any bounce, or resign to stop Kev'.

If one ALP member were to resign, Rudd couldn't command a working majority in the House - he'd be forced to call an election.
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« Reply #181 on: January 30, 2012, 07:15:38 pm »
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Quote from: Senator Polnut on January 30, 2012, 06:36:55 pm
Senior ALP Ministers are leaking to the press that any Rudd challenge would see them resign and force an immediate election. Which means a lot of people are taking things a lot more seriously than in the past.

Call an immediate election because they hope to take advantage of any bounce, or resign to stop Kev'.

If one ALP member were to resign, Rudd couldn't command a working majority in the House - he'd be forced to call an election.

Oh, I just thought you meant resign from cabinet.
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« Reply #182 on: January 30, 2012, 07:20:59 pm »
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I thought Gillard was the one overthrowing Rudd? Or was that last year?
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« Reply #183 on: January 30, 2012, 07:24:23 pm »
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I thought Gillard was the one overthrowing Rudd? Or was that last year?

Unfortunately a primary vote unable to scrape its way past 34% at best is making them increasingly nervous.

Gillard just isn't breaking through.

http://inside.org.au/labors-six-almost-fatal-mistakes/ - very good article on the ALP's largely self-inflicted problems.
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« Reply #184 on: January 30, 2012, 09:15:28 pm »
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-31/crean-takes-swipe-at-kevin-rudd/3802526

And now it gets very... very personal.

Simon Crean is probably Gillard's closest political ally..
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« Reply #185 on: January 30, 2012, 09:30:32 pm »
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Link to the threatened resignations and NSW Right stuff?
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« Reply #186 on: January 30, 2012, 09:42:15 pm »
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I've only heard those issues in passing.

Will do some digging.
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« Reply #187 on: February 01, 2012, 08:05:09 pm »
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http://www.smh.com.au/national/pms-hold-on-job-slipping-say-backers-20120201-1qtim.html

More evidence that this is real...
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« Reply #188 on: February 01, 2012, 08:11:45 pm »
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I know next to nothing about Australian politics, but it's just sad that we can't get a popular center-left government anywhere in the 'Western' world. Stephen Harper's claim to fame is Canada's economy stability, but Australia is doing even better than Canada...
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« Reply #189 on: February 01, 2012, 08:16:07 pm »
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I know next to nothing about Australian politics, but it's just sad that we can't get a popular center-left government anywhere in the 'Western' world. Stephen Harper's claim to fame is Canada's economy stability, but Australia is doing even better than Canada...

if you read this...

http://inside.org.au/labors-six-almost-fatal-mistakes/

It pretty clearly outlines the failures of the Government to sell its own successes.
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« Reply #190 on: February 01, 2012, 08:29:39 pm »
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Quote from: Beet on February 01, 2012, 08:11:45 pm
I know next to nothing about Australian politics, but it's just sad that we can't get a popular center-left government anywhere in the 'Western' world. Stephen Harper's claim to fame is Canada's economy stability, but Australia is doing even better than Canada...

Canada's economic stability is because of the Liberals, not because of Harper, actually. Harper is just being a liar (again).
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« Reply #191 on: February 02, 2012, 11:37:40 pm »
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I know next to nothing about Australian politics, but it's just sad that we can't get a popular center-left government anywhere in the 'Western' world. Stephen Harper's claim to fame is Canada's economy stability, but Australia is doing even better than Canada...
Basically, Gillard has communication problems and leaves people cold.
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« Reply #192 on: February 03, 2012, 12:59:28 am »
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Remember the days when the ALP were at 60-40? Sad
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« Reply #193 on: February 04, 2012, 08:21:54 am »
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Remember the days when the ALP were at 60-40? Sad

Unfortunately the ALP lost their nerve and the Opposition got a VERY effective leader.
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« Reply #194 on: February 04, 2012, 08:33:21 am »
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Abbott as PM will be hilarious, particularly having to do stuff rather than saying 'no' just because the Labor party suggested it.
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« Reply #195 on: February 04, 2012, 08:36:10 am »
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Abbott as PM will be hilarious, particularly having to do stuff rather than saying 'no' just because the Labor party suggested it.

Abbott is the Lib's Achilles Heel - he's the reason they almost won in 2010... (technically they did win more seats...) but he's also the reason they didn't win outright.

As long as he's leader, I wouldn't count on a Lib win - whatever the polls say.
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« Reply #196 on: February 04, 2012, 12:55:03 pm »
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So what would happen if an election were held?
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« Reply #197 on: February 04, 2012, 06:34:36 pm »
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The ALP is truely screwed no matter who's the leader. Kev' is less childish than Julia (and, by definition, Abbott), but a leadership spill to take revenge for a previous leadership spill (which is what it is, let's be frank) would ruin any image of credibility for Rudd.
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« Reply #198 on: February 05, 2012, 12:32:26 am »
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The ALP is truely screwed no matter who's the leader. Kev' is less childish than Julia (and, by definition, Abbott), but a leadership spill to take revenge for a previous leadership spill (which is what it is, let's be frank) would ruin any image of credibility for Rudd.

Um... no. Rudd is childish, prickly, ill-mannered ...

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/Gillards-mapping-a-route-but-will-probably-still-be-routed/

http://www.news.com.au/national/tony-abbot-prepares-for-leadership-showdown/story-e6frfkvr-1226263028640

The party shafted Rudd, not because of the polls, but because they've always hated him, but kept him on for as long as he was popular.
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« Reply #199 on: February 05, 2012, 02:45:45 am »
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The closer people are to Rudd, the worse he looks. That's why his caucus colleagues rolled him, as Polnut notes.
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