TR wins in 1912

[Robespierre's Jaw]

Thanks to medical advances in this timeline, the average lifespan is now nearly 83 years for American men and 85 for women.

HAHA. And yet Averell Harriman, Bob Dole, George Romney, and I am sure numerous others have died prior to their RL deaths.

Rove: Family influence
Jindal: Family influence, political opportunism
Pence: Political opportunism

I know this is your timeline and all, but I can assure you that all of those conservative men, who are all prominent figures in American politics as of RL December 2008, would be members of the Democratic Party. All three men don't strike me as those that would belong to a libertarian based party, that of course being the Republican Party of this reality.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Thanks to medical advances in this timeline, the average lifespan is now nearly 83 years for American men and 85 for women.

HAHA. And yet Averell Harriman, Bob Dole, George Romney, and I am sure numerous others have died prior to their RL deaths.

True

I know this is your timeline and all, but I can assure you that all of those conservative men, who are all prominent figures in American politics as of RL December 2008, would be members of the Democratic Party. All three men don't strike me as those that would belong to a libertarian based party, that of course being the Republican Party of this reality.

Perhaps so, yes.

[Robespierre's Jaw]

Perhaps so, yes.

Glad to see after two attempts you have seen the light.

Speaking of the Republican Party, why did they not collapse in your timeline? The idea of the Republican Party surviving in a climate where two parties dominate, I present to you both the Democratic and Progressive parties, violates Duverger's Law. If anything they would have collapsed well before the 1920's. Not to mention, I doubt the Republican Party would win any states as seen in a vast majority of your maps.

[Хahar 🤔]

59th: Lawrence Fox 1971-1977

Hahaha. Fail.

Fail?  Seriously?  He was a top figure in the Commerce department for many years.

Nepotist.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Perhaps so, yes.

Glad to see after two attempts you have seen the light.

Speaking of the Republican Party, why did they not collapse in your timeline? The idea of the Republican Party surviving in a climate where two parties dominate, I present to you both the Democratic and Progressive parties, violates Duverger's Law. If anything they would have collapsed well before the 1920's. Not to mention, I doubt the Republican Party would win any states as seen in a vast majority of your maps.

The GOP remained the dominant figure in New England, and always hoped to gain enough elecotral votes to throw the election to the House, and gain concessions.

[Psychic Octopus]

Ben, if you were able to rank your alternate history presidents from best to worst how would it go?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Outstanding:
32nd: Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic - New York) 1935-1949
34th: Earl Warren (Progressive - California) 1953-1961
36th: Henry 'Scoop' Jackson (Democratic - Washington) 1969-1977
38th: Mike O'Callaghan (Progressive - Nevada) 1981-1989

Above Average:
28th: Theodore Roosevelt (Progressive - New York) 1913-1921
35th: James Roosevelt (Democratic - California) 1961-1969
39th: John Warner (Democratic - Virginia) 1989-1997
40th: Colin Powell (Progressive - New York) 1997-2005

Average:
29th: Claude Swanson (Democratic - Virginia) 1921-1929
41st: Paul Wellstone (Progressive - Minnesota) 2005-2009

Below Average:
33rd: Claude Pepper (Democratic - Florida) 1949-1953

Poor:
30th: William Borah (Progressive - Idaho) 1929-1933
37th: Ronald Reagan (Democratic - California) 1977-1981

Note: Due the shortness of his term, MIllard Tydings was not included.

[Psychic Octopus]

Thanks, I was wondering how it would go. I thought that Teddy actually would be near the top, just below FDR.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Thanks, I was wondering how it would go. I thought that Teddy actually would be near the top, just below FDR.

They are fairly close.  It was just easier to do things the way I did, and do them chronologically, then to try and really rank them.  FDR is a 9, TR is an 8.75; or something close to that.

[Psychic Octopus]

BUMP


For all to re-read Ben's masterpiece.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

BUMP


For all to re-read Ben's masterpiece.

Thanks, NiK, I already re-reading this

Can someone bump PBrunsel "Nixon the Friend", too?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

BUMP


For all to re-read Ben's masterpiece.

Why thank you for calling this humble little timeline a masterpiece

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Bumping the good timeline for Christmas

[Psychic Octopus]

(rubbing my hands together) I am so looking forward to the third term of Teddy Roosevelt and World War I.

You mean second.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

(rubbing my hands together) I am so looking forward to the third term of Teddy Roosevelt and World War I.

You mean second.

Looking at the date of that quote, it's hard to believe it's been almost two years since I started this timeline.

[Psychic Octopus]

(rubbing my hands together) I am so looking forward to the third term of Teddy Roosevelt and World War I.

You mean second.

Looking at the date of that quote, it's hard to believe it's been almost two years since I started this timeline.

It was a good timeline.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

It was a good timeline.

Thanks, I'm just shocked at how time has gone by.

[Psychic Octopus]

It was a good timeline.

Thanks, I'm just shocked at how time has gone by.

Perhaps you can give us another update on the Gore Presidency? Just a last-minute epilogue on his first year?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Oh, and I did have my grandfather serve as Secretary of Commerce and Secretary of the Treasury

So, who was your grandfather?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

Perhaps you can give us another update on the Gore Presidency? Just a last-minute epilogue on his first year?

Maybe.  No promises, though.

[Psychic Octopus]

I had a few questions about this TL, and now that I have re-read it throughly. Some of these may have been resolved, but I feel like asking anyway.

1. How come Gifford Pinchot is the 1924 Republican nominee? In real life, he was very good friends with TR, and I believe he was a member of the progressive party at its conception. Pinchot, after all, was one of the catalysts in the split between Taft and TR.

2. How long did Theodore Roosevelt live? I may have overlooked something, but according to this TL he was still campaigning for Borah in 1928, nine years after he died in our history.

[Kaine for Senate '18]

1. How come Gifford Pinchot is the 1924 Republican nominee? In real life, he was very good friends with TR, and I believe he was a member of the progressive party at its conception. Pinchot, after all, was one of the catalysts in the split between Taft and TR.

They had a falling out over WWI, and Pinchot returned to the GOP.

How long did Theodore Roosevelt live? I may have overlooked something, but according to this TL he was still campaigning for Borah in 1928, nine years after he died in our history.

I mention his funeral; I believe it was sometime in the mid 1930's.

[Psychic Octopus]

1. How come Gifford Pinchot is the 1924 Republican nominee? In real life, he was very good friends with TR, and I believe he was a member of the progressive party at its conception. Pinchot, after all, was one of the catalysts in the split between Taft and TR.

They had a falling out over WWI, and Pinchot returned to the GOP.

How long did Theodore Roosevelt live? I may have overlooked something, but according to this TL he was still campaigning for Borah in 1928, nine years after he died in our history.

I mention his funeral; I believe it was sometime in the mid 1930's.

Ah. I must have missed it. Thanks

[hawkeye59]

bump

Oh, and I did have my grandfather serve as Secretary of Commerce and Secretary of the Treasury

So, who was your grandfather?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

This reminds me...I have that JFK TL still sitting around