President Forever results thread...

[HamRadioRocks]

Why do these simulations give such strange results that we haven't seen in real life (except maybe for 1976)?  If a few political junkies can do so well in unexpected places, why can't real presidential campaigns do so?

[Akno21]

How the hell can the same candidate get 49% in Maryland and 45% in Utah?

[Akno21]

Playing as Dukakis, lost 317-221. PV 49-47 Bush. Actually very close to winning, if IL, OH, and MD switch.



I'm getting doubts about PF being realistic.

[Colin]

Playing as Dukakis, lost 317-221. PV 49-47 Bush. Actually very close to winning, if IL, OH, and MD switch.



I'm getting doubts about PF being realistic.

The most unrealistic scenarios, in my mind, are the downloaded ones. Personally it seems that the scenarios that came with the game always give semi-accurate results while the scenarios made by random people are usually much further off. Could be because they over-estimated one candidate, or just didn't adjust everything to co-ordinate with the new scenario, or they just don't know much about election history.

[Akno21]

Playing as Dukakis, lost 317-221. PV 49-47 Bush. Actually very close to winning, if IL, OH, and MD switch.

I'm getting doubts about PF being realistic.

The most unrealistic scenarios, in my mind, are the downloaded ones. Personally it seems that the scenarios that came with the game always give semi-accurate results while the scenarios made by random people are usually much further off. Could be because they over-estimated one candidate, or just didn't adjust everything to co-ordinate with the new scenario, or they just don't know much about election history.

Are there any that come with the game aside from 60, 80, 92, and 04? Maybe I have an outdated version.

It's not that bad outside of Texas and Louisiana, and the only reason I won Louisiana was that Duke got 6 percent there, which enabled me to sneak by by 1.5. I also focused a lot on Texas, but against a Texan, I shouldn't have won it.

[Keystone Phil]

Ha, Nussle won't win Maryland 

PB, is Nussle the guy who got millions of dollars for an indoor rainforest?

That's Jim Leach. He is crazy sometimes.

He's a republican though, right?

He's a RINO. A lot of politicos in PA will remember the indoor rainforest from a Pat Toomey for Senate ad, listing all the pork that Specter didn't stand up against. My favorite was the fruit fly research in France.

[Akno21]

Ha, Nussle won't win Maryland 

PB, is Nussle the guy who got millions of dollars for an indoor rainforest?

That's Jim Leach. He is crazy sometimes.

He's a republican though, right?

He's a RINO. A lot of politicos in PA will remember the indoor rainforest from a Pat Toomey for Senate ad, listing all the pork that Specter didn't stand up against. My favorite was the fruit fly research in France.

Did anyone stand up against it?

[Akno21]

I WON!

Playing as Al Gore, I beat George W. Bush 295-243. I won the PV 48-43, Nader got 7.



Best State:
Gore: New Jersey, 59.2
Bush: Idaho, 63.7
Nader: Vermont, 28.9
Browne: Montana, 3.6

Close:
West Virginia, .1
Minnesota, 0.6
Nevada, 1.3

Actually realistic.

[Gabu]

How the hell can the same candidate get 49% in Maryland and 45% in Utah?

Got me.  Maybe the gigantic scandal I launched on Bush a week and a half before the election was that he hated Mormons or something.

[ilikeverin]

WHEE!

Made a new scenario, starting on August 1.  I was Badnarik, switched all positions to Right on first day, to left on last.

Here's how it turned out:



PV (B-K-N): 44% (55,847,756)- 44% (55,532,221)- 11% (14,011,201)
EV (B-K-N): 249-289-0

THE swing state: Texas.  Final tally: Kerry: 35.9%, Bush: 34.3%, Nader: 29.6%.

Kerry % map:


Bush % map:


Nader % map:


Best states:
Kerry: Michigan, 66.6%
Bush: Idaho & North Dakota, 74.2%
Nader: Texas, 29.6% (he also got, 29.4% and 2nd place in Alabama)

Worst states:
Kerry: Utah, 19.3%
Bush: New Hampshire, 27.9%
Nader: Missouri, .5%

[Gabu]

Made a new scenario, starting on August 1.  I was Badnarik, switched all positions to Right on first day, to left on last.

I remember one time I was playing the 1932 scenario as Hoover.  About a week and a half before the election, it was neck-and-neck.  I thought to look at my platform and was like "wtf this platform sucks" so I completely changed it without thinking about what would happen and subsequently lost all but two states.

[ilikeverin]

Made a new scenario, starting on August 1. I was Badnarik, switched all positions to Right on first day, to left on last.

I remember one time I was playing the 1932 scenario as Hoover. About a week and a half before the election, it was neck-and-neck. I thought to look at my platform and was like "wtf this platform sucks" so I completely changed it without thinking about what would happen and subsequently lost all but two states.

LOL

[Akno21]

Playing as Mondale.

392-146 Reagan wins, he won the PV 55-44.



Question, which is more important to winning a debate, issue knowledge or debate skill?

[Gabu]

Clinton vs. Bush vs. Perot (me):

My entire campaign was based around sabotaging Bush's campaign.  I did absolutely no personal campaigning whatsoever and made every single one of my speeches and ads into attacks on Bush.  All of my scandal research was against Bush.

The results:



Clinton: 417 EVs (46% PV)
Bush: 64 EVs (28% PV)
Perot: 57 EVs (24% PV)

Best states:

Clinton: Arkansas (63.6%)
Bush: Oklahoma (44.3%)
Perot: Utah (56.4%)

Worst states:

Clinton: Utah (21.2%)
Bush: Massachussetts (14.1%)
Perot: Louisiana (11.7%)

Top three closest states:

1. North Dakota (Bush wins over Perot, 34.1-33.6)
2. New Mexico (Bush wins over Clinton, 37.4-36.8)
3. Virginia (Clinton wins over Bush, 38.5-37.2)

[Gabu]

The 1984 scenario is officially screwed up, as I was hit by a power 9 scandal in the last week of the campaign and lost every single state except for Minnesota, New York, and... uh...

...

Texas.

[Akno21]

The 1984 scenario is officially screwed up, as I was hit by a power 9 scandal in the last week of the campaign and lost every single state except for Minnesota, New York, and... uh...

...

Texas.

I won Texas playing as Dukakis against Bush I, it's not that odd, for President Forever.

[Jake]

1992 Bush v. Clinton v. Perot v. Marrou (me)
 


Bush     33% 252
Clinton  38% 261
Perot     22%  19
Marrou   4%      3

Montana was 35.4% Marrou, 25.5% Perot, 23.5% Clinton

I came within 6 in Alaska and 7 in North Dakota and if Imageshack will start working, I'll post the screenshot.

[Keystone Phil]

Ha, Nussle won't win Maryland 

PB, is Nussle the guy who got millions of dollars for an indoor rainforest?

That's Jim Leach. He is crazy sometimes.

He's a republican though, right?

He's a RINO. A lot of politicos in PA will remember the indoor rainforest from a Pat Toomey for Senate ad, listing all the pork that Specter didn't stand up against. My favorite was the fruit fly research in France.

Did anyone stand up against it?

There are many fiscally conservative members of the House and Senate that stand up to it. Pat Toomey based a good amount of his Senate campaign against Specter on the pork issue.

[Akno21]

Ha, Nussle won't win Maryland 

PB, is Nussle the guy who got millions of dollars for an indoor rainforest?

That's Jim Leach. He is crazy sometimes.

He's a republican though, right?

He's a RINO. A lot of politicos in PA will remember the indoor rainforest from a Pat Toomey for Senate ad, listing all the pork that Specter didn't stand up against. My favorite was the fruit fly research in France.

Did anyone stand up against it?

There are many fiscally conservative members of the House and Senate that stand up to it. Pat Toomey based a good amount of his Senate campaign against Specter on the pork issue.

Did Santorum?

[Keystone Phil]

Ha, Nussle won't win Maryland 

PB, is Nussle the guy who got millions of dollars for an indoor rainforest?

That's Jim Leach. He is crazy sometimes.

He's a republican though, right?

He's a RINO. A lot of politicos in PA will remember the indoor rainforest from a Pat Toomey for Senate ad, listing all the pork that Specter didn't stand up against. My favorite was the fruit fly research in France.

Did anyone stand up against it?

There are many fiscally conservative members of the House and Senate that stand up to it. Pat Toomey based a good amount of his Senate campaign against Specter on the pork issue.

Did Santorum?

Take stands against wasteful spending? I'm sure he did a lot more than Specter. I'm not going to have this turn into an argument about who stands up to pork. I just pointed out a reason why he's a RINO and someone who stood up to it.

[Jake]

2004 Bush v. Kerry



Kerry collapses under a weight of ads and scandals.  DC was decided by a thousand votes.

[Gabu]

What the hell, as Dean again I hit Bush with a power 9 scandal a week before the election and won Oklahoma, Indiana, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Tennessee because of it, but I CANNOT WIN NEW YORK

WHY CAN I NOT WIN NEW YORK

I LOST THE ELECTION BECAUSE I DID NOT WIN NEW YORK

AAAAAARG

PS: I just noticed something else: I somehow won the PV 54-45, yet lost in the electoral college 253-285.

[Akno21]

Lost 312-226, playing as Gore/Landreu vs. McCain/Ridge, 2000.

Lost PV 49-40-7. The 2000 scenerio makes Nader way too strong.

[nini2287]

Here's 1912...I played as TR.  Coming into the home stretch, it looked as if I'd win the popular vote but it would be very close to whether I received enough EVs...however, Wilson was hit with 2 major scandals and Taft with 1, plus on the last day of the campaign, I ran 4 ads in all50 states, which threw states I wasn't even competitive in (mostly in the South) into my column:



Roosevelt-42% 399 EV
Wilson-19%  86 EV
Debs-18% 26 EV
Taft-20% 20 EV

[Old Europe]

Kucinich/Dean vs. Bush/Cheney



Kucinich
Popular Vote: 50%
Electoral Vote: 371

Bush
Popular Vote: 43%
Electoral Vote: 167