World Leaders Survivor Redux - Organisation Thread

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Dominican Republic has been democratic since at least the 70s. I still think going after Fernandez was kind of dumb though, because while he's not notable and I know nothing about him, his country is a bit less of a joke than those other Caribbean countries that don't even have populations with six digits, and there's still plenty of such leaders around. At least his country is something other than a joke tax haven.

As opposed to Canada, right?

There's basically three groups for most people:

1-People you actively dislike and want remove.
2-People who you don't actively like or dislike, but aren't really worth keeping around due to being from boring and/or joke countries.
3-People you actively like and would like to remain.

Fernandez and the others I'm referring to fall into group 2 for most people. Harper, for his voters and me, was group 1.

[Platypus]

The twenty fourth round has completed, with five eliminated leaders, and five leaders gaining immunity:

Group One:

Serzh Sargsyan, Armenia: 9 votes
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Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo: 4 votes, immune round 25
Rafael Correa, Ecuador: 1 vote

Group Two:


Pedro Pires, Cape Verde: 7 votes
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David Thompson, Barbados: 5 votes, immune round 25
Michael Somare, Papua New Guinea: 2 votes
Ernest Bai Koroma, Sierra Leone: 1 vote

Group Three:


Alvaro Colom, Guatemala: 6.5 votes
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Edward Natapei, Vanuatu: 6 votes, immune round 25
Sanjaagiin Bayar, Mongolia: 3 votes

Group Four:


Pakalitha Mosisili, Lesotho: 9 votes
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Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, Argentina: 6 votes, immune round 25
Jan Peter Balkenende, Netherlands, The: 1 vote

Group Five:


Stephenson King, St Lucia: 8 votes
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Derek Sikua, Solomon Islands: 3 votes, immune round 25
Yayi Boni, Benin: 2 votes
Patrick Manning, Trinidad and Tobago: 2 votes

[Platypus]

whoo we're getting close, finally (also mods, please sticky this thread)

I broke a tie in group 3, favouring a 'boring' neighbour (actually, Vanuatu has interesting politics) over a highly suspicious, bit less brown person. Call it affirmative action, if you like.

[Platypus]

ughhh...night that was not meant to be a big night, was a big night. I'm now going to clean it all up.

[Platypus]

The twenty fifth round has completed, with five eliminated leaders:

Group One:

Apisai Ielemia, Tuvalu: 9 votes
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Rafael Correa, Ecuador: 3 votes
Nikola Gruevski, Macedonia: 1 vote
Kostas Karamanlis, Greece: 1 vote
Martin Torrijos, Panama: 1 vote

Group Two:


Michael Somare, Papua New Guinea: 10 votes
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Ernest Bai Koroma, Sierra Leone: 3 votes
Donald Tusk, Poland: 1 vote

Group Three:


Roosevelt Skerritt, Dominica: 10 votes
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Evo Morales, Bolivia: 5 votes

Group Four:


Jigme Thinley, Bhutan: 8 votes
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Baldwin Spencer, Antigua and Barbuda: 4 votes
Gordon Bajnal, Hungary: 1 vote
Jakaya Kikwete, Tanzania: 1 vote
Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi, Samoa: 1 vote

Group Five:


Abdoulaye Wade, Senegal: 8 votes
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Yayi Boni, Benin: 3 votes
Patrick Manning, Trinidad and Tobago: 3 votes
Brian Cowen, Ireland: 1 vote

[Platypus]

OK, so stage one is complete! Thanks everyone for giving me something to do other than my essays and being involved.

Stage two will start over the next couple of days; there will be two groups of 35 and they'll continue until there are ten in both groups, who will be our finalists.

Before we get to the second stage though, I need your advice on a few issues. This isn't a vote, just a general gage of opinion, if you like.

1) Are there any leaders who should be swapped over for someone else who has more power in their country? Have they left office, or maybe the PM is more important than the President?

2) Should there be no immunity at all, the ad-hoc current system, or first-in immunity every round? maybe something else?

3) Do you like the 'mess with the format' rounds? Any ideas for other ways to change it up a bit, or should they be left behind as a first stage thing?

4) Any other ideas to make this more fun?

[Antonio the Sixth]

2) Should there be no immunity at all, the ad-hoc current system, or first-in immunity every round? maybe something else?

No, stop with immunity. Or at least a democratic immunity system : you vote for the one you want to protect next round.

[minionofmidas]

I wanted to change my vote from Spencer to the Samoan guy after seeing that the attempt to save Thinley had failed, but the bracket was already locked.

[minionofmidas]

1) Are there any leaders who should be swapped over for someone else who has more power in their country? Have they left office, or maybe the PM is more important than the President?

Too late now. Nobody should be swapped.

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I rather enjoyed the occasional weird rules (including the silly different immunities). Nothing of the kind for the final 20, though, please.

[Platypus]

I wanted to change my vote from Spencer to the Samoan guy after seeing that the attempt to save Thinley had failed, but the bracket was already locked.

To be fair, the booth was open about an extra 12 hours than it should've been

[dead0man]

I'm against immunity and the silly rules.

[big bad fab]

1) After having thought about it (yes, I'm still able to, at least a bit !):
No change of leaders now, even if in 3 countries, leaders have changed. It's too late to decide this.

2) No immunity at all, it produces too many imbalances from one round to another.

3) 4)
- Being able to split your vote (0,5-0,5) hasn't been a success, so let's drop this idea OR ELSE it should become compulsory for everyone to split his vote, in order to avoid almost everybody to vote with an entire vote.

- In case of a par between 2 leaders, why not decide it with a small vote just opened to those who voted for another leader ? That's just an idea, I'm not convinced myself.

- Maybe a round where you eject 2 leaders, voters having each 2 votes and you use a preferential system to decide. A bit complicated to organize maybe, but still democratic and very interesting I think.

- Maybe a round where each voter can decide if he wants to vote in each group or if he wants not to vote in one group, just to have 2 votes in the other. I think that would be a big idea, since it remains democratic but still entails some suspense...

[GMantis]

I think it's too late for change.
I'm also against immunity and other variant rules - it's too disruptive.

[Hatman 🍁]

The Pope should have been included.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Anyone who's no longer in office should be swapped, but just then.

I also don't mind the odd rounds, though I agree, none of that for the final 20.

[big bad fab]

Anyone who's no longer in office should be swapped, but just then.

I disagree, as IF they have been swapped during the first phase, we may have voted in order to oust the new leader sooner.

Just imagine Dave Cameron replacing Gordon Brown before the end of this Survivor:
you would be a bit angry to have him just in the end, because you don't drop Brown before...
And I would agree that Cameron wouldn't deserve to be in.
Or Obama assassinated and Biden replacing him. Even me, I'd prefer to have Obama on the list.
That would be a posthumous victory.
Or Mali's president dislodged by a military coup: I'd prefer to let the democrat in.

I was the first to ask this question of replacements, but I've reached the conclusion it's not fair to replace.
Maybe you'd voted for the new Panama's president whereas you didn't vote for Torrijos, for example.

[big bad fab]

- Maybe a round where each voter can decide if he wants to vote in each group or if he wants not to vote in one group, just to have 2 votes in the other. I think that would be a big idea, since it remains democratic but still entails some suspense...

May I add that this idea is especially big (I think) because there are only 2 groups left.
It's a really democratic uncertainty.
And we need to be both fair and suspenseful !

[Gustaf]

No switching please. I don't really see the point in doing that to be honest. A person can be a great world leader even if they don't happen to hold office any longer.

No first-poster immunity. That was one of the worse things of the last game. It throws things off way too much. I'm generally opposed to immunity, to be honest.

Also, while I'm not completely adverse to the rules variants it shouldn't be made to throw the game off (allowing vote splits had that effect a little bit, giving immunity to those with many votes as well). And I concur with others that it should definitely be just straight votes for the final 20.

[GMantis]

Here's an update to the map after the 25th round.

[Gustaf]

Kikwete, Bayar, Correa, Morales, Garcia and Arroyo are top of my list right now.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Total votes as of the end of round 25 for those still surviving.  The top vote getter so far is the departed Hugo Chavez, Venezuela with 38 votes.  It looks like the vote getters are mostly ending up in Group A, with 10 so far in Group B compared to 17 so far in Group A, including the top vote getter of each group.

G1
(A) Rafael Correa, Ecuador: 10 votes
(B) Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, Philippines, The: 5 votes
(A) Nikola Gruevski, Macedonia: 1 vote
(A) Kostas Karamanlis, Greece: 1 vote
(A) Martin Torrijos, Panama: 1 vote

G2
(A) Ernest Bai Koroma, Sierra Leone: 8.5 votes
(A) David Thompson. Barbados: 7.5 votes
(B) Angela Merkel, Germany: 1 vote
(A) Lars Lokke Rasmussen, Denmark: 1 vote
(B) Donald Tusk, Poland: 1 vote

G3
(A) Evo Morales, Bolivia: 32.5 votes
(B) Gordon Brown, United Kingdom: 10 votes
(A) Sanjaagiin Bayar, Mongolia: 7.5 votes
(B) Edward Natapei, Vanuatu: 6 votes
(A) Alan Garcia, Peru: 2 votes
(A) Lawrence Gonzi, Malta: 1 vote
(A) Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Brazil: 1 vote
(A) Manny Mori, Micronesia: 1 vote

G4
(A) Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, Argentina: 31 votes
(A) Baldwin Spencer, Antigua and Barbuda: 5 votes
(B) Mohamed Nasheed, Maldives: 4 votes
(B) Mirko Cvetkovic, Serbia: 2 votes
(A) Jan Peter Balkenende, Netherlands, The: 1 vote
(B) Gordon Bajnal, Hungary: 1 vote
(B) Jakaya Kikwete, Tanzania: 1 vote
(B) Fernando Lugo, Paraguay: 1 vote
(A) Tuilaepa Aiono Sailele Malielegaoi, Samoa: 1 vote

G5
Yayi Boni, Benin: 18.5 votes
Derek Sikua, Solomon Islands: 10 votes
Patrick Manning, Trinidad and Tobago: 5 votes
Brian Cowen, Ireland: 4.5 votes
Litokwa Tomeing, Marshall Islands: 2.5 votes
Hans-Rudolf Merz, Switzerland: 2 votes

[Platypus]

OK, the second stage will shart very shortly.

The leaders will not change; and every second round will be either immunity or messing with the format, but in stage three there will be neither. Immunity will always be determined by the round in which it is offerred, and mostly on a 'first poster' basis, but it won't be possible to determine immunity in both groups. The 'messing with the format' rounds will take on various styles, potentially including the suggestions received here.

[Platypus]

Stage Twp Gropups are posted at the beginning of this thread.

[GMantis]

Here's a map of the second stage. Red is group 1, green is group 2.



Hm... Are you quite sure you selected the groups randomly, Hughento?

[Platypus]

I used random.org; so yes. It's a biot of a shame that there aqre mnultiple biases, but I suppose if there weren't at least a few it'd be unfair because of it's non-rtandomness, so... :S