World Leaders Survivor Redux - Organisation Thread

[Platypus]

The first round has completed, with our first five eliminated leaders:

Group One:


Robert Mugabe, Zimbabwe: 21 votes
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Islam Karimov, Uzbekistan: 3 votes
Silvio Berlusconi, Italy: 2 votes
Hugo Chavez, Venezuela: 1 vote

Group Two:


Asif Ali Zardari, Pakistan: 9 votes
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Daniel Ortega, Nicaragua: 3 votes
Hans Adam II, Leichtenstein: 2 votes
Joseph Kabila, Congo (Kinshasa): 2 votes
Sharif Ahmed, Somalia: 1 vote
Recip Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey: 1 vote
Hun Sen, Cambodia: 1 vote
Fradique de Menezes, Sao Tome and Principe: 1 vote
Yoweri Museveni, Uganda: 1 vote
Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, Indonesia: 1 vote

Group Three:


Kim Jong-Il, Korea, North: 15 votes
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Omar al-Bashir, Sudan: 5 votes
Hassanal Bolkiah, Brunei: 2 votes
Denis Sassou Nguesso, Congo (Brazzaville): 1 vote

Group Four:


King Mswati III, Swaziland: 9 votes
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Bashar al-Assad, Syria: 4 votes
Raul Castro, Cuba: 4 votes
Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, Equatorial Guinea: 2 votes
Abdelaziz Bouteflika, Algeria: 1 vote
Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, Argentina: 1 vote
Hu Jintao, China, People's Republic: 1 vote

Group Five:


King Abdullah, Saudi Arabia: 13 votes
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Than Shwe, Burma: 7 votes
Muammar al-Gaddafi, Libya: 2 votes
Frank Bainimarama, Fiji: 1 vote
Idriss Deby, Chad: 1 vote

[dead0man]

This message board is clearly racist against non-crackers.

[GMantis]

This message board is clearly racist against non-crackers.

Abdullah can pass for white.

[dead0man]

..and I can pass for a hippie.

[GMantis]

..and I can pass for a hippie.

I have seen quite a few white people which are darker than him.

[Hatman 🍁]

hey now, I was going to do this again when Singh left office, since he was the last winner. And I included the Pope last time ftr.

[Platypus]

hey now, I was going to do this again when Singh left office, since he was the last winner. And I included the Pope last time ftr.

That would have been sensible, whoops.

[Platypus]

The second round has completed, with five eliminated leaders:

Group One:


Islam Karimov, Uzbekistan: 9 votes
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Silvio Berlusconi, Italy: 2 votes
Hugo Chavez, Venezuela: 2 votes
Rafael Correa, Ecuador: 1 vote
Ali Khamenai, Iran: 1 vote
Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia: 1 vote

Group Two:


Joseph Kabila, Congo (Kinshasa): 8 votes
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Hans Adam II, Leichtenstein: 2 votes
Recip Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey: 1 vote
Faure Gnassingbe, Togo: 1 vote
Fradique de Menezes, Sao Tome and Principe: 1 vote
Lars Lokke Rasmussen, Denmark: 1 vote
Choummaly Sayasone, Laos: 1 vote
Vladimir Voronin, Moldova: 1 vote

Group Three:


Omar al-Bashir, Sudan: 9 votes
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Vladimir Putin, Russia: 3 votes
Alexander Lukashenko, Belarus: 2 votes
Hassanal Bolkiah, Brunei: 1 vote
Hosni Mubarak, Egypt: 1 vote

Group Four:


Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo, Equatorial Guinea: 8 votes
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Bashar al-Assad, Syria: 3 votes
Raul Castro, Cuba: 2 votes
Hu Jintao, China, People's Republic: 2 votes
Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow, Turkmenistan: 1 vote

Group Five:


Than Shwe, Burma: 14 votes
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Muammar al-Gaddafi, Libya: 3 votes
Isaias Afewerki, Eritrea: 1 vote

[GMantis]

Can you unlock group four?

[big bad fab]

In my opinion there should be a general rule as to which leader to include. The rule should either be head of government or whichever position has the most formal power. It gets illogical to pick whoever we suspect has the most real power in the country. At times this may reasonably be a non-elected person (such as Thaksin in Thailand, for instance).

You simply can't have a general rule.
Presidents and PM aren't the same in every country: see USA, France, Poland, Finland, Ukraine, Russia, Czech Republic, Romania, Germany, Ireland, 10 countries, 10 systems
(and sometimes, they don't even exist !).

Sure you can. I just offered an example of a general rule in my post.

The point of my answer was to show you that you CANNOT say everywhere and for sure who has the "most formal power", as you wrote. Constitutional law is a rather complex and subtle matter.

[Platypus]

The third round has completed, with five eliminated leaders:

Group One:


Ali Khamenai, Iran: 7 votes
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Ilham Aliyev, Azerbaijan: 4 votes
Hugo Chavez, Venezuela: 2 votes
Silvio Berlusconi, Italy: 1 vote
Paul Biya, Cameroon: 1 vote
Paul Kagame, Rwanda: 1 vote
Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia: 1 vote

Group Two:


Sharif Ahmed, Somalia: 6 votes
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Choummaly Sayasone, Laos: 3 votes
Recip Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey: 2 votes
Daniel Ortega, Nicaragua: 2 votes
Faure Gnassingbe, Togo: 1 vote
Fradique de Menezes, Sao Tome and Principe: 1 vote
Hun Sen, Cambodia: 1 vote
Vladimir Voronin, Moldova: 1 vote

Group Three:


Alexander Lukashenko, Belarus: 14 votes
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Hosni Mubarak, Egypt: 1 vote
Benyamin Netanyahu, Israel: 1 vote
Vladimir Putin, Russia: 1 vote

Group Four:


Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow, Turkmenistan: 7 votes
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Bashar al-Assad, Syria: 4 votes
Hu Jintao, China, People's Republic: 4 votes
Albert II, Monaco: 1 vote
Raul Castro, Cuba: 1 votes
Mahinda Rajapaksa, Sri Lanka: 1 vote

Group Five:


Isaias Afewerki, Eritrea: 10 votes
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Muammar al-Gaddafi, Libya: 7 votes
Meles Zenawi, Ethiopia: 1 vote

[minionofmidas]

Sig thief!

[GMantis]

Group Three:


Alexander Lukashenko, Belarus: 14 votes

The first unambiguously white leader expelled (of course, Khamenei and Abdullah are white even by the American definition...)!

[Platypus]

Group Three:


Alexander Lukashenko, Belarus: 14 votes

The first unambiguously white leader expelled (of course, Khamenei and Abdullah are white even by the American definition...)!

...and only eliminated because he was white, to be fair.

I'm just happy to have Afewerki gone, who is in my opinion the worst dictator on earth.

[Platypus]

I'm going to be at a friend's birthday dinner at what would be the close of voting, 9pm AEST. Therefore, voting will be extended until i'm home

[Platypus]

The fourth round has completed, with five eliminated leaders:

Group One:


Paul Biya, Cameroon: 9 votes
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Hugo Chavez, Venezuela: 4 votes
Silvio Berlusconi, Italy: 2 votes
Ilham Aliyev, Azerbaijan: 1 vote
Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia: 1 vote

Group Two:


Prince Hans Adam II, Leichtenstein: 8 votes
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Daniel Ortega, Nicaragua: 4 votes
Choummaly Sayasone, Laos: 3 votes
Recip Tayyip Erdogan, Turkey: 1 vote
Faure Gnassingbe, Togo: 1 vote

Group Three:


Denis Sassou Nguesso, Congo (Brazzaville): 4 votes
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Hosni Mubarak, Egypt: 3 votes
Vladimir Putin, Russia: 3 votes
Hassanal Bolkiah, Brunei: 2 votes
Mahmoud Abbas, Palestinian Territories: 2 votes

Group Four:


Hu Jintao, China, PR: 7 votes
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Bashar al-Assad, Syria: 5 votes
Raul Castro, Cuba: 3 votes
Albert II, Monaco: 1 vote
Mahinda Rajapaksa, Sri Lanka: 1 vote

Group Five:


Muammar al-Gaddafi, Libya: 13 votes
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Idriss Deby, Chad: 3 votes
Meles Zenawi, Ethiopia: 2 votes

[Platypus]

The sixth round has completed, with five eliminated leaders:

Group One:


Ilham Aliyev, Azerbaijan: 9 votes
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Hugo Chavez, Venezuela: 6 votes
Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia: 1 vote

Group Two:


Choummaly Sayasone, Laos: 8 votes
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Faure Gnassingbe, Togo: 3 votes
Yoweri Museveni, Uganda: 2 votes
Angela Merkel, Germany: 1 vote
Daniel Ortega, Nicaragua: 1 vote
Hasim Thaci, Kosovo: 1 vote

Group Three:


Vladimir Putin, Russia: 8 votes
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Hassanal Bolkiah, Brunei: 3 votes
Hosni Mubarak, Egypt: 2 votes
Mahmoud Abbas, Palestinian Territories: 1 vote
Evo Morales, Bolivia: 1 vote
Jose Eduardo dos Santos, Angola: 1 vote
Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, Brazil: 1 vote

Group Four:


Bashar al-Assad, Syria: 6 votes
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Ismail Omar Gulleh, Djibouti: 4 votes
Albert II, Monaco: 2 votes
Raul Castro, Cuba: 2 votes
Omar Bongo, Gabon: 1 vote
Mahinda Rajapaksa, Sri Lanka: 1 vote

Group Five:


Idriss Deby, Chad: 10 votes
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Viktor Yushenko, Ukraine: 3 votes
Meles Zenawi, Ethiopia: 3 votes

[Gustaf]

In my opinion there should be a general rule as to which leader to include. The rule should either be head of government or whichever position has the most formal power. It gets illogical to pick whoever we suspect has the most real power in the country. At times this may reasonably be a non-elected person (such as Thaksin in Thailand, for instance).

You simply can't have a general rule.
Presidents and PM aren't the same in every country: see USA, France, Poland, Finland, Ukraine, Russia, Czech Republic, Romania, Germany, Ireland, 10 countries, 10 systems
(and sometimes, they don't even exist !).

Sure you can. I just offered an example of a general rule in my post.

The point of my answer was to show you that you CANNOT say everywhere and for sure who has the "most formal power", as you wrote. Constitutional law is a rather complex and subtle matter.

Yes, it is, but in most cases you can tell who has the most formal power. I, in fact, know of no country where it isn't possible. I'm not sure what your alternative is. Telling who has the most informal power must reasonably be harder, no?

[Platypus]

In my opinion there should be a general rule as to which leader to include. The rule should either be head of government or whichever position has the most formal power. It gets illogical to pick whoever we suspect has the most real power in the country. At times this may reasonably be a non-elected person (such as Thaksin in Thailand, for instance).

You simply can't have a general rule.
Presidents and PM aren't the same in every country: see USA, France, Poland, Finland, Ukraine, Russia, Czech Republic, Romania, Germany, Ireland, 10 countries, 10 systems
(and sometimes, they don't even exist !).

Sure you can. I just offered an example of a general rule in my post.

The point of my answer was to show you that you CANNOT say everywhere and for sure who has the "most formal power", as you wrote. Constitutional law is a rather complex and subtle matter.

Yes, it is, but in most cases you can tell who has the most formal power. I, in fact, know of no country where it isn't possible. I'm not sure what your alternative is. Telling who has the most informal power must reasonably be harder, no?

San Marino. I went with the one whose party had a greater vote share.

[Platypus]

The seventh round has completed, with five eliminated leaders:

Group One:


Paul Kagame, Rwanda: 8 votes
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Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia: 5 votes
Hugo Chavez, Venezuela: 2 votes
Silvio Berlusconi, Italy: 1 vote

Group Two:


Faure Gnassingbe, Togo: 10 votes
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Yoweri Museveni, Uganda: 2 votes
Daniel Ortega, Nicaragua: 2 votes
Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz, Mauritania: 1 vote

Group Three:


Hassanal Bolkiah, Brunei: 6.5 votes
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Hosni Mubarak, Egypt: 6 votes
Evo Morales, Bolivia: 2 votes
Emomalii Rahmon, Tajikistan: 1 vote
Jose Eduardo dos Santos, Angola: 1 vote

Group Four:


Mahinda Rajapaksa, Sri Lanka: 8 votes
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Raul Castro, Cuba: 5 votes
Abdelaziz Bouteflika, Algeria: 2 votes
Albert II, Monaco: 1 vote
Ismail Omar Gulleh, Djibouti: 1 vote

Group Five:


Meles Zenawi, Ethiopia: 7 votes
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Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, Tunisia: 4 votes
Ali Abdullah Saleh, Yemen: 3 votes
Frank Bainimarama, Fiji: 1 vote
Viktor Yushenko, Ukraine: 1 vote

[Platypus]

Obviously, I used my tie-break vote for the first time, for Sultan Hassanal Bolkiah of Brunei for reasons I shall keep to myself.

[Platypus]

NOTICE: Round 8 will be the first of the 'mess with the format rounds'. You will be able to vote 1 vote for one person, or 0.5 votes for two people.

[Platypus]

The seventh round has completed, with five eliminated leaders:

Group One:


Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia: 6 votes
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Laurent Gbagbo, Cote d'Ivoire: 5 votes
Silvio Berlusconi, Italy: 1 vote
Hugo Chavez, Venezuela: 1 vote
Robert Fico, Slovakia: 1 vote
Lee Hsieng Loong, Singapore: 1 vote

Group Two:


Hun Sen, Cambodia: 8 votes
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Daniel Ortega, Nicaragua: 5 votes
Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz, Mauritania: 1 vote
Yoweri Museveni, Uganda: 1 vote

Group Three:


Hosni Mubarak, Egypt: 12 votes
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Evo Morales, Bolivia: 1 vote
Emomalii Rahmon, Tajikistan: 1 vote
Jose Eduardo dos Santos, Angola: 1 vote

Group Four:


Ismail Omar Gulleh, Djibouti: 11 votes
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Raul Castro, Cuba: 6 votes

Group Five:


Ali Abdullah Saleh, Yemen: 10 votes
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Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, Tunisia: 4 votes
Frank Bainimarama, Fiji: 1 vote

[Platypus]

The eighth round has completed, with five eliminated leaders:

Group One:


Laurent Gbagbo, Cote d'Ivoire: 6 votes
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Silvio Berlusconi, Italy: 5 votesYahya Jammeh, Gambia, The: 3.5 votes
Hugo Chavez, Venezuela: 1 vote
Blaise Compoare, Burkina Faso: 0.5 votes

Group Two:


Yoweri Museveni, Uganda: 6 votes
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Daniel Ortega, Nicaragua: 5.5 votes
Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz, Mauritania: 2.5 votes
Sali Berisha, Albania: 0.5 votes
Mwai Kibaki, Kenya: 0.5 votes

Group Three:


Emomalii Rahmon, Tajikistan: 8 votes
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Benyamin Netanyahu, Israel: 6 votes
Jose Eduardo dos Santos, Angola: 1 vote
Alvaro Uribe, Colombia: 1 vote

Group Four:


Raul Castro, Cuba: 7 votes
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Sultan Qaboos, Oman: 4.5 votes
Omar Bongo, Gabon: 2.5 votes

Group Five:


Frank Bainimarama, Fiji: 10 votes
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Harmid Karzai, afghanistan: 2 votes
Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, Tunisia: 1 vote

[Platypus]

NOTICE: In round ten, the leader with the most previous votes who has not been eliminated will be IMMUNE.